Training volume for newbies and veterans

[Frosty]

Ok, I've been wondering about one thing with training volume.

There are two things that I'd like to consider:

1) Louie Simmons and many others say that you need to gradually increase volume over time using special exercises, GPP, and things like that. This is supposed to increase the work capacity of the individual, and this means you start low and work to a high level of training volume.

2) Newbies use much less weight, and generally a lower percentage of one's 1 RM (higher reps). The more advanced the person becomes in training, the greater the weight needed and greater the intensity needed to get a training stimulus. Many say, and many experience, that their volume levels have to go down since they need more time to recover since more weight/greater intensity is used.


Now, do these ideas actually follow each other because Louie and Westside generally keep the main workout volume about the same? Meaning they up the volume of special exercises and GPP, but not up the volume of the bench, squat, or deadlift.

Any thoughts or ideas on this?

 

[pullinbig]

first off i have all the respect in the world for loui. he has single handedly revolutionized squatting. he is responsible for all the crazy numbers coming out just as bill crawford and company are responsible for the bench numbers.

having said that most folks will over train (including me and a bunch of PLs i know). the routine can be modified to suit those with moderate to low recoup powers. I still believe it is not the best system out there. its too complicated for the average lifter. as with the supps I like to keep lifting simple. I do not believe you can increase your ability to recover thru increasing volume. its a genetic thing. now this is taking into account you have reached your work plateau. juice and supps help some here but not the world moving affect some imply.

my advise is to start with low volume and work up till you find where you are over training and then back it down a hair. this is how i start all my new trainees and then work from there. it may take months to find the threshold but we will find it. obviously the more volume you can sustain the more progress you make. but once you pass that point then over training rears its ugly head. Injury and disappointment follow shortly there after.

i have a friend at another board who is a well known trainer and he is currently working on a modified WSBB routine with lower volume but still keeping all components intact.

more to follow as he says.