This isnt my first time. I have tried test and primo. And btw tbonexl, i did read a lot. There is so much diffirent opinions. A guy with half year workout didnt got told that he should stay away. And shitty cycle? The last one is exactly what many of other meant another guy should do. And he had 1 year working out. I think that you guys just following the wave. You just post like what other post. You dont dare to post your own opinion. Why? You scared maybe? I posted this here to get some help. And the only thing i get is "its shit". How about some help, you could tell me change this and this instead. Thanks for this time.