Unexplainable blood work?
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Here is my situation.
So.... I was in PCT, was taking clomid for a couple months at 25mg a day, and some natural test booster phytestosterone which had pure testofin (long jack). I was also on 2iu daily of RIPTROPIN. This is my bloodwork that just came in.
I decided to get blood work before I hopped back on cycle. Well to be honest, I started cycle the night before my blood was drawn, I injected my first 250mg test E about 24 hours prior to blood being drawn. I figured if my bloods were bad I would just go back on PCT, but I couldnt take not being on test any longer.
Few things I do not get... My testosterone was god knows how high, over >1500, with a lot of free testosterone. I dont know how? Did the single long ester test shot the night before make my levels instantly over 1500? I doubt it.... So 25mg clomid and taking 2iu of rips made it 1500? I doubt it. I am so confused. I am still shut down as fuck and basically producing no natural test. Progesterone is very high, but estrogen is low? I had small gyno lumps behind my nipples and when I squeezed, a drip of this liquid would come out. SO DONT BELIEVE THE BRO SCIENCE THAT SAYS "PROGESTERONE CANT MANIFEST INTO GYNO WITHOUT ESTROGEN BEING HIGH" thats complete bullshit and my bloods will back that. So I am taking 25mg aromasin daily and 1mg of caber twice weekly (I only use pharma grade). One lump is completely gone, the other is disappearing by the day (no more leakage either). So I am going to continue my 500mg weekly test cycle with my 3iu of rips, I just wanted to share my story and post bloods, see if anyone has any theories. Thanks
BTW I am 22 years old, 5'7 and about 180 with very low BF......and puffy leaking nipples, jk they are getting better. I have low BF and I dont look like I have gyno so it was a surprise to me, maybe because my chest is so big and defined?
This is simply not enough evidence to reach that conclusion. What your bloodwork proves is that you got gyno with low estrogen, progesterone being the sole mediator is not a logical conclusion. One exception I can think of is personal sensitivity to estrogen, but I doubt this is the case for you since your E2 levels are VERY low. Person A may get gyno with levels well within reference ranges while person B can be above the upper limit of the range and still not get it, your body's sensitivity plays a large part in this.
I made a post regarding this a while back, I'll see if I can find it but did you know that although estrogens and progestogens are vital to mammary growth, they are ineffective in the absence of anterior pituitary hormones. Thus, neither estrogen alone nor estrogen plus progesterone can sustain breast development without other mediators, such as GH and IGF-1. [/QUOTE] The fact you're on a GH cycle taking 2iu's daily will definitely increase the likelihood of getting gyno along with increasing the effect of ESTROGEN (not progesterone) on ductal development. To me a more logical conclusion than progesterone induced gyno is that the Rips you're taking daily increased the effectiveness of estrogen in your body at producing gyno. Progestins raise IGF-1 levels which again aid ESTROGEN in causing gyno, but this is an indirect action not direct.
Another factor in me not believing it was progesterone gyno is that from what I have seen (and not to say I'm an expert or seen everything but) I have NOT seen ONE SINGLE case of progesterone gyno in any medical literature I've researched in UNLESS strong synthetic progestins were introduced and administered.
Chapter*14.*Gynecomastia: Etiology, Diagnosis, and Treatment
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Estrogen promotes ductal growth and progesterone acts on alveolar development. The ducts hold the milk while the alveoli secrete the milk. Estrogen promotes ductal hyperplasia while progesterone promotes alveolar hyperplasia. GYNECOMASTIA IS DUCTAL HYPERPLASIA NOT ALVEOLAR HYPERPLASIA
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paxmillion
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Gyno has significantly gone down since taking caber and aromasin. I now stopped aromasin and picked up on letro with caber. I take very small doses of letro daily and caber twice weekly, and 200mg p5p daily. Soon coming off letro completely, and taking aromasin every few days as a maintenance dose.
I am going ahead with cycle and using HCG to hopefully help recovery in a few months when I come off everything completely. I will be using a moderate dose of test (500mg).
500mg test E
100iu HCG daily
2iu rips daily
aromasin and caber for maintenance.
I am going ahead with cycle and using HCG to hopefully help recovery in a few months when I come off everything completely. I will be using a moderate dose of test (500mg).
500mg test E
100iu HCG daily
2iu rips daily
aromasin and caber for maintenance.
liftingwhey8
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Is caber necessary for a test only cycle?
He's operating under the assumption that progesterone caused his gyno and caber treats progesterone. I believe both those assumptions to be incorrect.
campcoll88
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Maybe if you stop ignoring your friends from another forum your gyno will go away. They wanna know whats up pax
blueboogie
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Are you scamming us Paxmillion?
Good to see you over here Pax. As you know, you took money from at least 4 of us at PHF more than 2 weeks ago now, and then disappeared. Mine was the largest of these, but none of them are huge money so we initially thought you might have been hurt or in trouble. Instead, we see you posting on other forums and on Facebook. Since you would not respond, we all took it upon ourselves to start collecting personal info. We have everything we need to proceed. These are legal products, by the way, so don't think you can just continue to ignore your commitment. You need to either refund us all in full, immediately, or complete the orders. If you do not do so, you'll leave us no choice but to pursue other means. You appear from your Facebook page to be a decent guy. Why steal food off of our children's plates? You're too young to understand fatherhood, but when someone steals your hard earned money and you have small children to feed, you get a little ferocious. The last thing you wanna do is go on bodybuilding forums and steal from these guys.
You have my email address. You have my Facebook account (I messaged you). Your sister has a message as well. Every single one of your friends could get the same message, as well as your supervisor at your work and everyone up the chain from them. And this is just what could happen on day 1. I don't know if you were aware, but I only live about 5 hours from your home and work in Gilbert.
Good to see you over here Pax. As you know, you took money from at least 4 of us at PHF more than 2 weeks ago now, and then disappeared. Mine was the largest of these, but none of them are huge money so we initially thought you might have been hurt or in trouble. Instead, we see you posting on other forums and on Facebook. Since you would not respond, we all took it upon ourselves to start collecting personal info. We have everything we need to proceed. These are legal products, by the way, so don't think you can just continue to ignore your commitment. You need to either refund us all in full, immediately, or complete the orders. If you do not do so, you'll leave us no choice but to pursue other means. You appear from your Facebook page to be a decent guy. Why steal food off of our children's plates? You're too young to understand fatherhood, but when someone steals your hard earned money and you have small children to feed, you get a little ferocious. The last thing you wanna do is go on bodybuilding forums and steal from these guys.
You have my email address. You have my Facebook account (I messaged you). Your sister has a message as well. Every single one of your friends could get the same message, as well as your supervisor at your work and everyone up the chain from them. And this is just what could happen on day 1. I don't know if you were aware, but I only live about 5 hours from your home and work in Gilbert.
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