Unusually high estrogen levels, no juicy feeling.

[Mittens]

Hey guys bit of a puzzle for me i am hoping to get some help with.

Should probably start with some background. Always been very very good with estrogen related sides on my cycles, its never really been to much of an issue for me iv only ever really needed light AI use to control any flare ups. This is my fourth cycle and im around 2 weeks into 20mg ed of dbol and 50mg ed test prop. During my last cycle and also in this cycle i have noticed a definite increase in how much estrogen sides i am copping, specifically sensitive nipples.

This cycle in particular i seem to have skipped the feeling of high test and feeling juicy and almost instantly received sensitive nipples and gone straight into damage control with the Arimidex and also Nolva attempting to knock it on the head. This is obviously terrible, i don't want to beat my liver even harder by hammering arimidex and nolva to control the seemingly excessive and disproportionate estrogen levels just to finish the dbol. Im aware Dbol is ment to be wet as fuck and i have used it in the past with great success, even dosed at 50mg ed i needed minimal estrogen control on cycle and bloated up nicely and enjoyed the strength from the water with no nipple sensitivity ect. However this current cycle almost instantly i am receiving severe estrogen related sides.

Does anyone have any ideas as to why they think this could be the case ? Usually i would feel great for a decent length of time and enjoy the feeling of being on and high test however i have not felt this all cycle so far and am immediately getting negative sides despite running a very conservative dose of dbol compared to previous cycles. Obviously arimidex and some nolva dont help in feeling good, but i needed to knock the estrogen on the head.

Could my estrogen levels have not fully normalized after the last cycle ? hence the immediate jump to high estrogen related sides ? i took about three months off after PCT before beginning my fourth cycle and felt perfectly normal and am usually very good at listening to my body.

Any ideas and thoughts are welcome, im fully prepared to drop the dbol if its going to be an issue, but would rather address the root of the excessive estrogen rather than avoiding it. I have some EPI 2A3A here that can be added to help block estrogen but probably a bad idea ?

Thanks guys.

 

[New alias]

This post is kind of all over the place....

2 weeks into 20mg dbol ed 50mg test prop ed

how much nolva and arimidex have u been using?

I have never run test prop.... But I think about 2-3 weeks into a short ester cycle such as prop should be sufficient to go and get blood work...

U said that something different seems to be occuring here as u have ran dbol at higher doses without getting the issues u are having currently.

I'd get blood work asap and share, that will be the best way of getting help.

Please share a list of the sides u are experiencing.

 

[Mittens]

Started at .5 mg arimidex ed at first sign of sensitivity and after few days of no change have moved to 1mg 3 days in on 10mg ed nolva.

Should note that within 5 days of cycle gained 3KG in water, have dropped roughly 2kg of that since adding arimidex, nips still sensitive.

 

[Megatron28]

Do you have blood work that you can post?

 

[Mittens]

I do not, my last blood test was from after my second cycle and was given the all clear to run the third. After my third i recovered well and as i said had about 3 months off after PCT before beginning this cycle, felt totally normal, felt good to go. I realize blood work is the best way, but i dont need blood to tell me that my estrogen is rampant atm. Its more the manner and speed in which it has risen and is causing sides, especially since i am usually very tolerant to estro related sides.

 

[Megatron28]

So do you want us to just guess what is going on with you? Or how about getting some blood work tomorrow so we can actually see what is going on? Personally, I think the latter option would work better for you and us.

 

[DucBase]

Sensitive nips does not necessarily mean high E2.

You need bloodwork, but I'm guessing you know that by now. Didn't want to beat a dead horse, but I wanted to throw out the bit about nipple sensitivity.

Mine get sensitive every time I change anything with my TRT regimen, or start/stop a blast. Most of the time I've experienced it, my bloodwork actually came back with low E2.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Sensitive nips does not necessarily mean high E2. .

yea was gonna ask if we know for sure its high. Orals can make you feel like your describing op. I personally think its because they tend to alter cholesterol levels more than injectables.

 

[New alias]

Started at .5 mg arimidex ed at first sign of sensitivity and after few days of no change have moved to 1mg 3 days in on 10mg ed nolva.

Should note that within 5 days of cycle gained 3KG in water, have dropped roughly 2kg of that since adding arimidex, nips still sensitive.

Okay, u started at .5mg arimidex ed

Then upped it to 1mg ed and added nolva....

Do u know high estrogen and low estrogen sides r very similar?

Without blood work I cant say for sure, but I am going to take a shot in the dark and say u've crashed ur estrogen

 

[Mittens]

Bloods arent an option right now, thanks for the replys anyway.

So im slowly getting ontop of the sensitive nips with the adex and nolva and they are almost where id like them to be and things are improving, i have had a few good days now where i have felt pretty good and trained well almost feeling how i would want to.

So the issue was high estro as thought and the nolva and adex are bringing that back in check. Does anyone have any thoughts as to why this happened so incredibly quickly for me ? Any theory's on why the estro went so crazy so quickly ? Thoughts on the theory that my estro was possibly not balanced yet after last cycles pct and it didnt need much of a push to get sides at the start of this cycle ?

Thanks again.

 

[Megatron28]

Bloods arent an option right now, thanks for the replys anyway.

So im slowly getting ontop of the sensitive nips with the adex and nolva and they are almost where id like them to be and things are improving, i have had a few good days now where i have felt pretty good and trained well almost feeling how i would want to.

So the issue was high estro as thought and the nolva and adex are bringing that back in check. Does anyone have any thoughts as to why this happened so incredibly quickly for me ? Any theory's on why the estro went so crazy so quickly ? Thoughts on the theory that my estro was possibly not balanced yet after last cycles pct and it didnt need much of a push to get sides at the start of this cycle ?

Thanks again.

Why isn't blood work an option for you right now? When will it be an option for you?

 

[oldmusclemike]

Okay, u started at .5mg arimidex ed

Then upped it to 1mg ed and added nolva....

Do u know high estrogen and low estrogen sides r very similar?Without blood work I cant say for sure, but I am going to take a shot in the dark and say u've crashed ur estrogen

Low Estrogen Side Effects:

- Osteoporosis (weakened bones) ; (long-term low levels)
- Poor sex drive
- Fatigue
- Lethargy
- Skin quality diminishes
- Depression
- Poor sense of wellbeing & poor quality of life

High Estrogen Side Effects:

- Gynecomastia
- Anxiety & panic attacks
- Depression
- Erectile dysfunction
- Water retention
- High blood pressure
- Loss of balance/instability/dizziness
- Respiratory related concerns
- Irritability
- Low libido
- Insomnia
- Prostate related issues
- Crying like a little girl and being emotional all the time

So you see, neither high nor low are healthy.

 

[tury694]

1mg of adex a day and you think you have high estrogen lol. Unless your adex is bunk, your estradiol should be crashed at that kind of adex dosage. Get bloods if you can bud.

 

[tury694]

Every time I read the "crying like a little girl" side effect for high estradiol levels I get a good laugh.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Hey let me tell you and this OP, if he/you doesn't adjust the Adex he will crash and he/ you, .. will almost cry.
It is awful to crash, just plain ugly thing and your attitude, energy and appetite will suck big time and that's where the depression comes in, Maybe.
Listen "tury" I was going to take the crying out but I t sums up the depression and all, BUT I left it in because of you. Yep I did because every time I see it I have a laugh with you.

AS tury says and we al do, Get BW.

 

[JimiThing]

Thats the thing with the guesswork approach when it comes to e2, it doesnt work and can make things much worse. Similar sides make pinpointing difficult. The good thing is once you start getting blood work you learn how you personally react to both high or low e2 and can distinguish between them.