It's measured in the mornings as per recommendations of the International Society for the Study of the Aging Male (ISSAM) and the European Association of Urology (EAU). Levels will always peak and trough and the trough is viewed as less important since everyone metabolizes it differently and the rate of decay or fall off is different amongst different people. Plus having the "accurate" testosterone value in the morning helps in determining if its primary or secondary hypo and the reference ranges given for the total serum testosterone panel are for the morning and take the diurnal rhythm into account
Went to Doctor for Valium and He Convinced me i have Low T....wtf
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It's measured in the mornings as per recommendations of the International Society for the Study of the Aging Male (ISSAM) and the European Association of Urology (EAU). Levels will always peak and trough and the trough is viewed as less important since everyone metabolizes it differently and the rate of decay or fall off is different amongst different people. Plus having the "accurate" testosterone value in the morning helps in determining if its primary or secondary hypo and the reference ranges given for the total serum testosterone panel are for the morning and take the diurnal rhythm into account
Daniel_IMT_Staff
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Smart doctor, glad to see that some doctor's want to actually help people with preventative medicine. Heart disease is the #1 killer, and also the most preventable. Obesity kills! Also, can increase e2 and in that sense lower T.
WhiteDog
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Yep, he is one of a kind. Seems like a real asshole until you get to know the guy. He has a genuine concern and is quite old but up with the times. Hes a keeper for sure.
Trying to get Valium her is like asking a Doctor if you can have his daughter for a night. This Doc understands it helps and writes me a script without question.
Cant wait to get my results back.
Trying to get Valium her is like asking a Doctor if you can have his daughter for a night. This Doc understands it helps and writes me a script without question.
Cant wait to get my results back.
WhiteDog
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Ok.... so received "THE LETTER" today... Test results are in and "your doctor would like you to make an appointment to discuss these results at your earliest convenience"
This is the letter they normally send out when something is not rite..
Have my appointment at 1.30pm Western Australian Time....
Keep ya's posted.
This is the letter they normally send out when something is not rite..
Have my appointment at 1.30pm Western Australian Time....
Keep ya's posted.
WhiteDog
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tHE REST OF THE RESULTS
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Megatron28
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Looks like you have Secondary Hypogonadism. Your choices are give a restart a try or hop on TRT. You need to do something though.
I would dig into your thyroid more and get a full panel. You are on the hypo side.
Watch your kidneys! Drink more water. Cut out the sugary beverages or greatly reduce them. If you are doing a high protein diet back off that some. If you are taking a lot of NSAIDS you need to stop.
Good luck! If you go on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) get injections.
I would dig into your thyroid more and get a full panel. You are on the hypo side.
Watch your kidneys! Drink more water. Cut out the sugary beverages or greatly reduce them. If you are doing a high protein diet back off that some. If you are taking a lot of NSAIDS you need to stop.
Good luck! If you go on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) get injections.
WhiteDog
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Not on the Hypo side, quite the opposite actually. Yes i will be making some major life style changes. Sugar is out and i will be drinking alot more water. Only medications i have been on is Valium for my back injury, and Panadine fort.
Tempted to try a restart.. Dr is all for TRT. set me up with some TESTOGEL, and said we will discuss injections in a few weks. The government here subsidies it if your levels are 4 or below, so the doc told me not to sleep tonight, drink a bottle of wine, then go get the bloods done... That should be enough to drop me down the 6 points... Then ill go onto the 50mg TESTOGEL, until he gets back from holidays.
Thanks for your input buddy.
You are on the hypo side or full blown hypo depending on which ranges you want to use. He's talking about hypothyroidism due to your high TSH levels. High TSH usually means hypothyroid while low TSH means the opposite, hyperthyroid
WhiteDog
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Dam i have so much to learn. I guess ill become a local on the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) forum and pick up as much info as i can
Love this forum. God dam testis have let me down big time..
Its strange that i have NOT experience any form of ED.
My girl better watch out when i get on the TRT... she is half my age, ill be giving her a run for her money this time i think
Dam i have so much to learn. I guess ill become a local on the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) forum and pick up as much info as i can
Love this forum. God dam testis have let me down big time..
Its strange that i have NOT experience any form of ED.
My girl better watch out when i get on the TRT... she is half my age, ill be giving her a run for her money this time i think
Getting on the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) forum would be a great idea. The more you know the more power you have over your fate. Not everyone experiences the same sides so it's not uncommon to hear no ED problems. Lmao, she might not be able to keep up!
Megatron28
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Your testis are fine. The problem is with your pituitary.
I had really low T before I started and I never had ED either. I was just too tired to want sex. :-(
I had really low T before I started and I never had ED either. I was just too tired to want sex. :-(
WhiteDog
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Sounds like me... Are you on TRT?
Dr did do a thyroid Function Test and said they were fine. TSH 3.77 mU/L (0.5-5.0)
Do you believe this should be looked into further? My testis are of normal size...Although they have been hurting a bit today
Psychological....
Megatron28
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Sounds like me... Are you on TRT?
Dr did do a thyroid Function Test and said they were fine. TSH 3.77 mU/L (0.5-5.0)
Do you believe this should be looked into further? My testis are of normal size...Although they have been hurting a bit today
I am on TRT. 100mg test cyp every 3.5 days.
I would definitely get a FULL thryoid panel run.
Alpin
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Coincidentally....
My Family doc who said he doesn't believe in age related T levels said to me last visit....
"Have you tried Androgel"?
Told him no thanks. It is costly and a nuisance to use.
He was willing to give that over clomid...
You are right though.
bushleaguechew
Junior Bodybuilder
Have you started clomid yet?
Alpin
New member
I can't. I have to see the endo in 3 weeks...
I can't mess with my hormone profile...
will see what goes from there.
WhiteDog
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How could you "family doc" not believe in age related T, when there is so much evidence to support it? It is a known fact?
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Alpin
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Uh....he's ignorant???
He told me he can do what Testosterone Therapy can do... with Anti-Depressants only!.
He said by raising levels of neurotransmitters in the body he would get the same effect of TRT.
Does this sound like a sane individual that you want in charge of your health?
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