What to drugs to take, diet change suggestions for upcoming cut.

[ConMan]

Hi, i'm 20 years old, 5 foot 7, 163 pounds (12% body fat)
I did a major cut over a 6-7 week period last winter (I think I was around 20% body fat when I started), ate my weight in grams of protein...suffice to say, it worked...HOWEVER, I went a little bit loopy, and lost a lot of muscle in the process even though I worked out 4 times a week and ate my body weight in grams of protein, I continued trying to cut after the 7th week but it was getting to the point where I wasn't losing any weight and the loopy-ness was hard to deal with.

So my goals for this next cut are to lose around 12 pounds of fat/ get to at least 10%, preferably 8% bodyfat, faster and while losing less muscle than last time.

my current diet looks like this:

2 pints of blueberries
6-8 eggs
2 scoops of whey
a few handfuls of kale & or spinach
Sometimes bread with peanut butter, or a bagel.
and then either more whey, more eggs, greek yogurt, or chicken just so it adds up to ~150 grams of protein or more.

I'm thinking for the duration of this cut about having about 2000 calories and 160g of protein a day and making it ketogenic (<30 grams of carbs a day).
I also want to add GHRP-6 & cjc-1293, would clen be safe to take with these or would it be overkill?

 

[ConMan]

I forgot to mention my current training regiment is pretty sporadic, when I finished that 6-7 week cut I adopted a Bulgarian-ish training routine.

At first I maxed out on squats as many times as I could in a day (~between 8 and 17 times) and bench and deadlift once a week.
Then I just started maxing out on dead lift everyday.
Now I just try to work my way up to 80% for 3 sets and then max out on front squats, deadlifts and DB bench press every day...although I usually end up just doing 2 of the 3 exercises. Followed by a tabata HIIT session whenever possible.

So I was thinking that realistically I wouldn't be able to maintain this level of intensity and was thinking of a workout routine something like this for the duration of the cut:

Monday: Work up to 80%1rm front squat for 3 sets followed my max weight set.
Tuesday: Tabata style HIIT
Wednesday: Work up to 80%1rm DB bench for 3 sets followed my max weight set.
Thursday: Tabata style HIIT
Friday: Work up to 80%1rm double overhand Dead lift for 3 sets followed my max weight set, then, same thing for alternating grip dead lift or dead lift with straps.
Sat: rest
Sun: rest

 

[J_Fox23]

Why are you looking to cut again? You should really consider a lean bulk. Do some light cardio maybe 20-30 minutes walking on the treadmill at 2.5 mph. That will help keep the fat off but up your protein to 1.5-2.0 grams of proetin per pound of bodyweight. Eat at a 500 calorie surplus maybe even start out at 250. Take your time on it and the gains will come slowly but that's what you want. You'll be gaining LBM and little fat. I would highly recommend you do this and if you don't hink that you can get your diet right for that, hit up 3J. He can set you up with the perfect diet for whatever you want.

 

[ConMan]

Will more protein really help? I feel pretty full just getting 150g's of protein in me and have a little bit of a hard time believing that more will make that much of a difference...

 

[ConMan]

Also, the main reason I want to lose more weight as opposed to bulking is that I want my abdominal muscle to be visible, and I don't think I can develop my abdominal muscles (any more) to the point where they will show without losing weight.

 

[J_Fox23]

If you gain muscle it will help. That's why I suggested a lean bulk because that is the closest thing to losing fat and building muscle.

 

[DreDay187]

Why are you looking to cut again? You should really consider a lean bulk. Do some light cardio maybe 20-30 minutes walking on the treadmill at 2.5 mph. That will help keep the fat off but up your protein to 1.5-2.0 grams of proetin per pound of bodyweight. Eat at a 500 calorie surplus maybe even start out at 250. Take your time on it and the gains will come slowly but that's what you want. You'll be gaining LBM and little fat. I would highly recommend you do this and if you don't hink that you can get your diet right for that, hit up 3J. He can set you up with the perfect diet for whatever you want.

There's no need to have that high of a protein intake, especially if training natty, unless you happen to like protein like beef, chicken, etc. I agree with most of the post though, at 5'7 and 163lbs if he cuts anymore he'll be skin and bones.


OP, why are you concerned with using "drugs" for a cut? First off you're pretty young to appreciate the benefits AND long-term effects of this mentality and by your own admittance, your diet is sorely lacking. I'd suggest working on your diet first and foremost and consider bulking with a small surplus instead of cutting. Also "cutting fat faster" and "losing less LBM" is an oxymoron unless you know exactly what you're doing in regards to nutrition. Get in the diet forum, get a handle on the basics of effective nutritional practices to accentuate your training.

 

[Clamp]

You really don't need that much more protein to build muscle. A pound is 454 grams, and muscles are 70% water and the remaining 30% is not all protein. Even if it was that would mean you only need 136.2 grams of protein to build a pound of muscle. Very, very few people will gain a pound of muscle a week under normal conditions so you need less than that over maintenance protein per week. So less than 20 grams of protein over maintenance is required daily is required to build muscle.

 

[ConMan]

What about the using Ghrp-6 & cjc-1293, I don't really see the harm in either of those compounds, neither will shut me down and are both beneficial for increasing lean body mass? And although both of those compounds aren't fully researched, but I don't think that has any relevance (what difference does it make if I take them now or wait until I've reached my 'genetic potential'?). Also the majority of my rectus abdominis,particularly the upper portion, are significantly developed, (sticks out like a sore thumb (although i'm not lean enough to see much if any definition), so I don't think putting on any more mass would help them show...And my primary goal, at this time, is to get to a point where my abdominal's are visible. The only way I can foresee LBM gains leading to my abdominal muscles becoming more prominent is if my back muscles are significantly lacking...which I suppose could be possible, but also seems unlikely >.> ... Or is it possible, that further developing my lower rectus abdominis &/or other parts of my stomach would make my abdominals visible?

 

[Slayer8633]

Not trying to jack your thread but just copy pasting a post.
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