Would like advice and thoughts on first cycle!

[Kyle27]

Hey I'm new to this but have done a lot of research and still doing more. This is my first cycle I just want to see my body at that next level. first my stats...

I am 6'4 and 230 lbs.

I have my diet down tight no cheat days.. no drugs, no alcohol...

I have been training since I was 19 and I'm about to turn 25 in a few months...

I have Deca and Test cypionate...

I understand it is recommended to only take one type first time but this is what I could get...

What I have is looking like
weeks 1-10 Deca 250mg a week
weeks 1-10 Test C 300mg a week
Is this to low of a dosage to be very effective? I understand for the Test C it's best to take twice a week but should I cut it to 150mg twice a week with such low amount?

I have Nolvadex, and Clomid for my post cycle therapy (pct)..

My post cycle therapy (pct) looks like
Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg
-next 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
-next 10 days - Nolvadex 20mg

Should I use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to help prevent testicular atrophy or should I not worry about that with such low dosages? any suggestions?

If I forgot anything please let me know

 

[brother bundy]

IF you get any sides how will u know which compound is the problem?

 

[Kyle27]

IF you get any sides how will u know which compound is the problem?

Ya, I know that's one reason it is recommended to start with one. But with the Test C all I could get is this low dosage and I understand that you can take less Test on a cycle with Deca from what I've read so this is what I could get for my first cycle... I understand it's not necessarily ideal but I would love any and all suggestions to make sure I do this right...

 

[Bantrel]

Like Bundy said I would stick to just test for a first cycle, but if you do use deca it should be ran a min of 12 weeks an run the test 2 weeks longer then the deca

 

[Kyle27]

Like Bundy said I would stick to just test for a first cycle, but if you do use deca it should be ran a min of 12 weeks an run the test 2 weeks longer then the deca

Thank you, I've wondered about that... I've read that running deca a little longer than the Test can help harden the muscle after for less of the water look but I've also heard that you should run the test longer.

 

[josh223]

double your test cyp dosage and drop the deca. Then when you are ready for next cycle use that deca bottle at 1-2 cc per week along with same test dosage.

 

[killboy]

I didn't see any mention of AI's in your cycle. You should have some aromasin (exestane) on hand just for the test c just in case gyno shows up. Also caber or prami for the prolactin sides of the deca if they show up.

I agree with the other guys on here, stick with a test only cycle first, anything from 300-600mg/week will be fine. A couple of the vets on here favor a lower dose for your first cycle. First cycles are generally recommended to go 12-14 weeks.

Don't worry about the deca right now, you'll be surprised at the results you get from just test.

Oh and for future reference a 2:1 ratio of test to deca is the most common dosing ie; 600mg test/week, 400mg deca/week.

 

[josh223]

I didn't see any mention of AI's in your cycle. You should have some aromasin (exestane) on hand just for the test c just in case gyno shows up. Also caber or prami for the prolactin sides of the deca if they show up.

I agree with the other guys on here, stick with a test only cycle first, anything from 300-600mg/week will be fine. A couple of the vets on here favor a lower dose for your first cycle. First cycles are generally recommended to go 12-14 weeks.

Don't worry about the deca right now, you'll be surprised at the results you get from just test.

Oh and for future reference a 2:1 ratio of test to deca is the most common dosing ie; 600mg test/week, 400mg deca/week.

I agree completely. And if your thinking

"won't I gain more if I add deca into my cycle?"

Maybe, but your chances of having more side effects is increased. Since you don't know how you react to testosterone by itself, you won't have anything to go by. If your hair starts to fall out, you will want to know if the deca is causing it or if its the test.

If you get acne, you want to know if its from the deca or not.

those are just some examples.

another thing, I gained 33 pounds on my first cycle (15kg) and I only injected testosterone. So deca is unnecessary for first cycle because you will get good gains from test alone. save for another cycle when test gains are a little slower then you can have deca to help

 

[Kyle27]

Thank you guys so much, I really appreciate all of the amazing advice! I thought Nolvadex was an AI? If not can you correct me so I can by what I need to today? I wish I could double up on the test and run 12 weeks instead of 10 but I only have enough for 300mg a week for 10 weeks... from what I understood though 10-12 week cycle was ok? and I know the Deca is supposed to be 2mg per lbs of lean body mass right? so I should be running the Deca closer to 400mg anyways that's why I didn't know if these doses would be effective being so low or if taking them with each other would help..

 

[TryinToGetStrong]

Thank you guys so much, I really appreciate all of the amazing advice! I thought Nolvadex was an AI? If not can you correct me so I can by what I need to today? I wish I could double up on the test and run 12 weeks instead of 10 but I only have enough for 300mg a week for 10 weeks... from what I understood though 10-12 week cycle was ok? and I know the Deca is supposed to be 2mg per lbs of lean body mass right? so I should be running the Deca closer to 400mg anyways that's why I didn't know if these doses would be effective being so low or if taking them with each other would help..

You could take the test at 250mg per week for 12 weeks, but I would wait til I could get enough to do 300-500mg 12-16 weeks.

 

[Kyle27]

Also I've heard conflicting views on the needle size I should use... any suggestions? sorry for the nooby questions here lol

 

[Kyle27]

You could take the test at 250mg per week for 12 weeks, but I would wait til I could get enough to do 300-500mg 12-16 weeks.

I'm seeing if I can get more but I might not be able to for a while..

 

[TryinToGetStrong]

22g 1.5in for glutes, 25g 1in for pretty much everything else.

 

[Kyle27]

Thanks... so anymore suggestions about my stack IF I stick with the Deca and Test C? would be greatly appreciated! being new I wanna do this right...

 

[Hockeyplaya18]

If you want to do it right bud, I would wait till you got your hands on more Test, run it at 400-600mg a week for 12-14 weeks. Save the Deca, like everyone has said, you'll gain plenty off the test only cycle.

What Lab is your gear from??

 

[Kyle27]

If you want to do it right bud, I would wait till you got your hands on more Test, run it at 400-600mg a week for 12-14 weeks. Save the Deca, like everyone has said, you'll gain plenty off the test only cycle.

What Lab is your gear from??

Thanks, I do want to do it right. I'm checking to see if I can get more test C but I'm not sure if I can for a while so I might have to just go with the both that's why I want all the suggestions I can get and appreciate all the knowledge and help.. I'm not sure off hand where my gear is from, I'll have to look when I get home... and can anybody tell me what Aromatase inhibitor (AI) I should have on hand in case of gyno? I thought the Nolva would be fine that I have for my post cycle therapy (pct) but somebody before said I need something else?

 

[Cam01]

honestly more than to go by what people tell you, I'd read if i were you. people here say 500mg(2cc) per week is what's recommended. Bro, I disagree VERY much. I've read quite a lot on the dose for beginners and 500mg/week is very high. I've even spoken to Lee Priest and he said 500mg was WAY too high. He told me 250mg/week is fine for a noob. I did 500mg/week and broke out like a 16 yr old boy with severe acne issues. mine was mainly bacne.
either way do what you do, research your shit. dont go just by what these people tell you.
btw, nolva and clomid are very similar compounds. No need to stack'em. Nolva is more than enough (40/40/20/20). I have a good read to back this up if one of these guys tells you otherwise.

 

[Deals4u04]

This was a very helpful article im also a noob to this. I'm just going to run Test for now i have a 10ml multi dose vial 300mg/ml. Where can I find needles and what size and how to read them. Also what are Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and pci? sorry also a noob but I wanna do this right.

 

[brother bundy]

This was a very helpful article im also a noob to this. I'm just going to run Test for now i have a 10ml multi dose vial 300mg/ml. Where can I find needles and what size and how to read them. Also what are Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and pci? sorry also a noob but I wanna do this right.

your already doing it wrong start your own thread deals or no deal

 

[Kyle27]

This was a very helpful article im also a noob to this. I'm just going to run Test for now i have a 10ml multi dose vial 300mg/ml. Where can I find needles and what size and how to read them. Also what are Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and pci? sorry also a noob but I wanna do this right.

Bro, I'm new to this too but I've put countless hours in of research, and I'm still reading and learning more and more before I start mine... Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is aromatase inhibitors and post cycle therapy (pct) is Post Cycle Therapy which if you don't know what those are and why you NEED to have those ready before you start your cycle of test then do ALOT more reading before your first prick... There are tons of serious side effects and you can seriously mess up your body for the rest of your life... needles you can buy online, or at a tractor supply if theres one around you, even over the counter at walmart and cvs in some states, just call around... I'm still a noob at all this but from all the advice I've gotten and all my research I can tell you the most important thing before you jump into this is to research, read, research, read read read, and when you think you know enough to start, read some more... make your own post, post all your stats, ask for advise for your personal cycle... then go READ some more... good luck!