Would tapering off the test + compoundingg agent avoid acne

[JGear]

Hey guys,

Lets assume I am taking 500 mg/ week per week for 12 weeks, and running primo at 500 mg/ week. Hypothetically If I finished my cycle, and started my post cycle therapy (pct) 3 weeks after my last pin. The chances I would get acne are inevitable.

What if... I extended my cycle for 14 or even 15 weeks (to maximize the use of the cycle because the tapering sacrifices the gains you could be making if the test levels were the flat throughout the cycle) and decided to taper off my test & primo levels towards the last 5 weeks so my cycle would be as follows, could this prevent the acne?

Weeks 1-9: 500 mg/week
Week 10: 300 mg/week
Week 11-12: 200 mg/week
Weeks 13-14: 100 mg/week

My reasoning is if we taper off the amount of test so realistically when the test clears out and your ready for post cycle therapy (pct) your test levels wont crash causing clusters of acne to appear. Since the active life of Test E is 15 days, technically the test should clear out after the 15th day marking the 1st day of my post cycle therapy (pct). In addition, what if.. I were to front load my post cycle therapy (pct) for the 1st week I am assuming that would help your body achieve hormonal homeostasis therefore preventing acne.

I want to know your thoughts, and experiences on this subject. Thanks!

 

[JGear]

Anyone???

 

[Rumpy]

I have no idea how tapering would effect acne, but tapering down like that is just a bad idea in general. You stay completely shut down, but you're only running a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dosage, so you get no benefit from it. You need to wait for your test level to bottom out before post cycle therapy (pct) can start. Some guys will switch to prop for the last few weeks of their cycle, so once they stop, their test level drops in a few days and they can start post cycle therapy (pct) sooner, but I don't think that will help you.

 

[JGear]

I have no idea how tapering would effect acne, but tapering down like that is just a bad idea in general. You stay completely shut down, but you're only running a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dosage, so you get no benefit from it. You need to wait for your test level to bottom out before post cycle therapy (pct) can start. Some guys will switch to prop for the last few weeks of their cycle, so once they stop, their test level drops in a few days and they can start post cycle therapy (pct) sooner, but I don't think that will help you.

You are right that you wont get any benefit from tapering down, and that would mimic testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) therapy.
Now, lets completely ignore the fact that you wont get any benefit from tapering down. I wouldnt mind running a 12 week cycle and only benefiting from 8 if I wont have to worry about the acne.

Is acne inevitable? or is there a way around it.

 

[Collinb]

Estrogen levels play a small role in acne development. Typically reduced acne is noted when estrogen is controlled, so you might want to just up your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) a little bit and keep test where it is.

Other tips to reduce acne:
Change sheets often
shower after workouts immediately
salic acid 2% or however you spell it bodywash is great at reducing acne
sunlight/tanning can dry out acne spots and reduce their size and appearance

 

[Rumpy]

You start out saying "let's assume", how about you just tell us what you're doing. Have you started this cycle? Is this/will this be your first? How old are you?

 

[JGear]

You start out saying "let's assume", how about you just tell us what you're doing. Have you started this cycle? Is this/will this be your first? How old are you?

25 Years old. I have not started my cycle yet. Im at 12% BF 195 lbs. Im going to run a 12 weeker of Test E at 500 mg/ week and Primo at 400 mg/week, .5 mg arimidex EOD, and HCG 500 IU weekly.

Ive never had an issue with acne growing up but I dont want to have an issue with it in my mid 20s. What do you advise.

 

[JGear]

Estrogen levels play a small role in acne development. Typically reduced acne is noted when estrogen is controlled, so you might want to just up your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) a little bit and keep test where it is.

Other tips to reduce acne:
Change sheets often
shower after workouts immediately
salic acid 2% or however you spell it bodywash is great at reducing acne
sunlight/tanning can dry out acne spots and reduce their size and appearance

All the above mentioned might help in controlling but will the acne go away? From my research, when your test levels crash and your estrogen levels increase (When the test clears your system) you start developing the Acne right when you should start your post cycle therapy (pct).

So I thought tapering my cycle and front loading my post cycle therapy (pct) might help.

 

[Rumpy]

Ive never had an issue with acne growing up but I dont want to have an issue with it in my mid 20s. What do you advise.

First, I would advise test only for your first cycle, 500mg/week is good, I would drop the primo for your first run.

As to the acne, I advise you shut up, buck up, and pin. You're WAY over thinking this. If you've never run a cycle, why do you think it's going to be a problem. More to the point, do you think every guy here has some massive problems with? What the hell do you think we all look like? It's not a problem, if it is for you, but some soap. You're trying to concoct some fucked up cycle over a problem that doesn't exist. If you're one of the few that does have real issues, buy some Accutane. Then start another thread about how you're going to loose all of your hair, and then another about how you don't want to get too hairy. Relax, do a test only cycle and see how you react, then deal with things if/when they come up.

 

[JGear]

First, I would advise test only for your first cycle, 500mg/week is good, I would drop the primo for your first run.

As to the acne, I advise you shut up, buck up, and pin. You're WAY over thinking this. If you've never run a cycle, why do you think it's going to be a problem. More to the point, do you think every guy here has some massive problems with? What the hell do you think we all look like? It's not a problem, if it is for you, but some soap. You're trying to concoct some fucked up cycle over a problem that doesn't exist. If you're one of the few that does have real issues, buy some Accutane. Then start another thread about how you're going to loose all of your hair, and then another about how you don't want to get too hairy. Relax, do a test only cycle and see how you react, then deal with things if/when they come up.

Rumps, what kind of gains can I expect from a test only cycle?

 

[Lift-on]

For ur first cycle you could expect 15-30lbs of gain. This is dependent on ur diet and ability to gain. As said test only is the way to go your first round. So u can tell how u react an what sides u do or don't have. Trust me ull enjoy a test only cycle man.

 

[Rumpy]

I was going to be a little more conservative and say maybe 10-20lbs of lean that you can keep, but of course this is entirely dependent on diet and how hard you train.

 

[JGear]

Yo rumps & lift,

Review this for me? Should I take HCG & an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle & after. Here what I was planning.

Im confused on the HCG part. I heard to start HCG on your 4th week other say start to do it from the beginning. Im also going to take .5 arimidex to avoid any gyno.

Week 15: 1500 IU 2x week @ 750 IU, Clomid 75mg ED & Nolva 30 mg ED
Week 16-20: 1000 IU 2x week @ 500 IU, Clomid 50 mg & Nolva 20 mg ED



Is there anything else I need to do after?

 

[Rumpy]

Couple things:
There are kind of two schools of thought on HCG. Run it on cycle, or blast between cycle and post cycle therapy (pct). I prefer to run on cycle, either way, do not use HCG while you're on post cycle therapy (pct). My preference it to run 250iu 2X per week, or 500 per week total. You want your last HCG pin to be 4 days before you start post cycle therapy (pct). If you have enough, start at week 2, but if you only have 5000iu, count backwards to figure out when to start, usually around week 4, depending on how much test you have. The date of the last pin is more important than when you start.

Your PCT looks good, but 4 weeks should be enough. You should wait at least 3X the half life of the test ester to start PCT, with test E that's about 15-18 days. 2 weeks is a minimum, 2-3 weeks is a better range. You need your test levels to be below natural for the PCT to start to work.

Oh, and that's it, you should be good to go after that. If you want piece of mind, you could do a blood test, but that's up to you. Remember, time off between cycles is = time on plus PCT, so a 12 week cycle, 2+ week break and 4 week PCT, you need to wait at least 18+ weeks at minimum before starting another one.

 

[Rumpy]

One more thing, 1/2mg ED of adex is probably too much. I would start at 1/2mg E3D and go to EOD if you get any symptoms, like being itchy. If your estro is getting to high, you'll start to feel it, but the symptoms for crushing it are less obvious, so I tend to start low and raise the dose as needed. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting you under dose your Aromatase inhibitor (AI), but 1/2mg ED of adex from day one will probably be too much.

Also, on the HCG, no need to start on day one because you're not suppressed yet. Like I said, start around 2 weeks if you can.

 

[MickeyKnox]

Agreed.

Test only.

Hcg to PREVENT testicular atrophy @ 250iu 2/wk.

Aromatase Inhibitor ON CYCLE, not afterwards.

Proper PCT or recovery plan.

 

[JGear]

One more thing, 1/2mg ED of adex is probably too much. I would start at 1/2mg E3D and go to EOD if you get any symptoms, like being itchy. If your estro is getting to high, you'll start to feel it, but the symptoms for crushing it are less obvious, so I tend to start low and raise the dose as needed. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting you under dose your Aromatase inhibitor (AI), but 1/2mg ED of adex from day one will probably be too much.

Also, on the HCG, no need to start on day one because you're not suppressed yet. Like I said, start around 2 weeks if you can.

Thanks Boys. Im definitely doing my blood work before and every 3 weeks. With that being said, what is by bloodwork to look like before cycle, on-cycle, pct, and off-cycle. I understand this might be a lot of info, but I want to know as much as I can before I start. Last I checked, which was 2-3 years ago my test level was 487 ng/dl.