Young + Want Advice

[tyler992013]

Hey guys.

I understand that being young + steroids = instant "NO" on here.

I want to educate myself. I'm not someone who's going to come on here and ignore your advice and go ahead with anything so please know that I do appreciate your time and answers and will totally consider what you have to say.

I've been in the gym for a while going with a good friend of mine for just over two years.

Only in the last few months we began training with a guy who competes in several shows and has really helped us take this game seriously. We've been working piece by piece nailing down workouts, diet, etc... and then one day he suggested we cycle.

We're both 18 and take bodybuilding extremely seriously and obviously would like to do anything we can to improve our results.

Mine are coming incredibly slow, even though I have been working on improving diet more and more. My friend's are coming faster and better than mine... he's a ton shorter than me though.

I understand that I have not reached my natural peak or anywhere near it (6'3, 185 lbs), however the idea of being able to get there faster and more effectively is clearly a nice one.

He suggested Winstrol V and Anavar as being good things for us to kind of start with, with them being safe and whatnot.

Having read a shit ton of information about how oral only cycles are useless I suppose the problem would be taking T along side it at only 18. Any steroid forum I have read says that it's ridiculous and stupid, so on and so forth...

Is this because at 18 most guys are doing it for the wrong reason, unintelligibly, and overall wrong?

Or is it ACTUALLY (proven fact) bad to be cycling correctly, mildly, and intelligently at 18?

Can we cycle intelligently and safely at only 18 years old IF we do everything correctly?

He has said many times that people who are young and have terrible side effects are simply cycling wrong, not using steroids in conjunction with great diet/routine, etc...

What do you think?

Are there actual PERMANENT sides to taking a cycle at this age? (and can be backed up vs. somebody's bad experience where anything could have been the culprit)

Does taking Anavar/Winstrol shut you down for sure? Is there a way to take it so that it doesn't?

I just want to be pointed in the right direction as I understand there ARE long term potential risks, and I want to know what they are, if they are legitimately "forever", and just go about this as intelligently as possible.

Thanks for your help.

 

[Vino 1]

I stopped reading when u said he suggested winstrol and anavar. The guy is an idiot stay away from him. Seriously tho, u will be so sorry u started AAS at such a young age down the road I GURANTEE it man. Don't listen to that guy. U NEVER NEVER run peals together or alone. U will destroy your liver. Just keep working hard and EAT EAT EAT

 

[Vino 1]

Can't edit for some reason. U never run two orals together and without test. Yes it's proven fact its bad to cycle at your age

 

[Mike24]

Before using aas, you should reach your peak naturaly. At 18 years old, you have not reached that peak. With a good diet and training, you should get the results you want. Your hormones are in peak right now. Be patient and train for a few more years. You will be happy you did, build a solid base before using aas.

 

[unknown21]

Never run oral only cycle or 2 orals at the same time. First cycle should be Test only!

 

[tyler992013]

Thanks for the response guys.

Yeah, I know I'm not hitting that natural peak yet.. but I reckon it'll take a LOT longer to reach it without using AAS.

I should probably clarify that his cycle idea (which I haven't even got details about yet) aren't to take Winstrol + Anavar at the same time without test.

He basically just told me to look them up and do some research, what the actual cycle would consist of if we got down to it I am not 100% sure as I'm playing it safe before even considering running anything.

All in all I probably realize the answer is train hard naturally UNTIL an appropriate age (and will end up doing that) but find it hard to believe that it's such a bad thing when most of the 18 year old guys who do it seem to be complete morons... IE: doing oral only, not taking test, no pct...

But then again I have little knowledge about this and want to learn from you guys - that's why I'm here!

 

[JTrain1978]

Stick around...read and learn

 

[tyler992013]

To be 100% honest this is one of those situations where the more I read the more I know I shouldn't do it.

I guess I just feel mislead from my trainer... he seems so knowledgeable, been in the game for years, competes nationally... yet when I come on here it just seems like he's wrong.

I wish AAS was an option, why put in the work for 4 years and get what you could with only a couple?

I'd like to ask you guys... what can I do to maximize my gains? Anything other than diet, nutrition, sleep, and routine? Any other things overlooked? I want MAXIMUM potential if AAS isn't an option.

 

[dopamine]

Go ahead if you want to start using. Seriously.

But why do you want to use? To get up on stage, slap oil all over your body and win a couple of plastic trophies? You're 18. I take it you're in college. Don't you think you have a hell of a lot of other priorities to focus on as of now?

Again, seriously. Not going to dissuade you if you want to start using.

Just want to know: do you have the time, money and resources to purchase everything you need to cycle? Are you willing to inject yourself ? Can you put in time to train despite all of the school work?

 

[tyler992013]

Appreciate the answer Dopamine.

It's more just about aesthetics and image... beyond the point of trying to impress other people but I have a certain body I want to achieve and want to make the journey as smooth as possible.

Regarding your objections, I don't like throwing it around but I actually run my own business online and don't have any plans for college.

I have all of the time, money, and resources I need to do it, just don't know if it's a good idea.

I'm just worried about the long term effects that cycling apparently has at a young age.

Simply going ahead which I know I could easily do seems stupid without understanding everything first.

Go ahead if you want to start using. Seriously.

But why do you want to use? To get up on stage, slap oil all over your body and win a couple of plastic trophies? You're 18. I take it you're in college. Don't you think you have a hell of a lot of other priorities to focus on as of now?

Again, seriously. Not going to dissuade you if you want to start using.

Just want to know: do you have the time, money and resources to purchase everything you need to cycle? Are you willing to inject yourself ? Can you put in time to train despite all of the school work?

 

[dopamine]

Long-term effects? If not done properly then a plethora of possible issues could arise.

It isn't the steroids that kill people though. It's the psychology behind them. Kids nowadays fail to realize that being on cycle means constant monitoring and reflecting.

Did I get enough calories today? Gee, my nipples are pretty sore, good thing I have everything on hand for this scenario! Man, I have to make sure I'm injecting and aspirating properly.

All of these things and more. Going on cycle is a huge responsibility.

Zyzz on the other hand, epitomizes everything that is wrong with young bodybuilders today. Apart from a heavy regimen of injectables and orals, he also abused MDMA. I take it you know him? Died in a Sauna a few years back.

 

[tyler992013]

Well obviously and that's why I'm here learning how to do it properly and minimize risk when the time comes that I do start to use.

I honestly have everything it takes to do it on a maturity level. I'm fully prepared to do things right, monitor, and just be ready. I also have somebody who has been doing it for years ready to help

It's just that on a physiological level apparently I am not old enough and that is something I am going to have to accept.

I know who Zyzz is, but have zero aspiration to be like him.

When I say 'aesthetics' I mean it by the literal definition of the word, not what the BB.com forums turned it into.

Long-term effects? If not done properly then a plethora of possible issues could arise.

It isn't the steroids that kill people though. It's the psychology behind them. Kids nowadays fail to realize that being on cycle means constant monitoring and reflecting.

Did I get enough calories today? Gee, my nipples are pretty sore, good thing I have everything on hand for this scenario! Man, I have to make sure I'm injecting and aspirating properly.

All of these things and more. Going on cycle is a huge responsibility.

Zyzz on the other hand, epitomizes everything that is wrong with young bodybuilders today. Apart from a heavy regimen of injectables and orals, he also abused MDMA. I take it you know him? Died in a Sauna a few years back.

 

[dopamine]

And you're screwing with me if you think you can claim that there is more to your desire than 'aesthetics' and 'image'.

Are you an athlete? Do you rely on your body to make a living? Do you suffer from any debilitating injuries? If the answer to all of these questions is 'No', then there seriously isn't anything more to your desire than attaining 'the look'.

I'm 24. I have been lifting since I was 16. I started at 115 lbs and made my way to 200 lbs within a three year time-frame (this was during college).

My sojourn with steroids (beginning a month ago) have little to do with image, and more to do with scientific curiosity.

If you want to learn then start reading and sifting through the boards. Might I recommend William L's "Anabolics". Why make a thread asking the people here if you can safely use steroids at your age? All you're looking for is validation.

 

[tyler992013]

I didn't once claim it was for anything more.

It's purely for 'the look', but beyond the point of impressing OTHERS.

The answer is no to all of the questions because, like I said, it's about how I look.

I want to look a certain way, I'm sure AAS would help me get there, I'm not looking for validation so much as education.

Good job on your gains. I'll look into your recommendation.