18 years old vs 21 years old steroid side effects

[addyism]

As everyone on this forum suggest to stay away from AAS until they are 21 so my question is why a 18 year old would have more side effects then a 21 years old l... The major side effects of steroids are

1)Loss of sperm count:
From what i have researched all AAS are supressive to natural test production and every AAS from test to dbol will decrease sperm count regardless of any age whether 18 or 21.

2) Stunted growth:
and if we talk about height then till 18 mostly guys stop growing and if height is a concern then a guy can simply have an xray to know if he has stopped growing or not...

3) Acne , Hairloss:
The other issue is having acne and hairloss and from my research i have concluded that both these things depends on genetics and both of these can be stopped... ***128138;


So again my question is what the difference in a 18 and 21 years old when it comes to using roids???

Does anyone disagree with the above? And on what basis if you do?

 

[Megatron28]

Actually we recommend waiting until you are 25 years old. Your endocrine system is still developing. See the FAQs link below in my signature for more info on this including a medical study.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Really OP this has all been studied by many and you aren't going to change the FAQs of you point. You don't think you are too young. Wanna do it do it. I'm tired of this bullshit. OP what is the point. We've seen it happen the problems caused and some of us have those problems from starting too you.

Myself I was 30 or something. Oh well I'll leave it. Bye

 

[Mad- scientist]

If you want to possibly be on TRT for life, close your growth plates, and stop your body from fully developing steroids before 25 is a good idea. I would not recommend making life long decisions with your health at a young age you will find yourself regretting it when you get older and fully comprehend what you got yourself into.

 

[Never ever]

Endocrine system developing until 25? I don't understand that. When I was 19, i had 410 ng/dl testosterone. When I was 20, I had 410 again. When I was 21, I had 410 again. I'm 22. So, I'm sure I still have 410. God damn. I'm young and this test level is less.

 

[addyism]

Did you take roids ???

 

[Never ever]

Did you take roids ???

This year.

 

[addyism]

You mean you started taking roids at 22.

 

[Never ever]

You mean you started taking roids at 22.

Yep?

 

[SJC]

Having a 410 test level has nothing to do with making a decision to take AAS or not. It also has nothing to do with your body being fully developed. Natural testosterone isn't directly proportionate to how a body develops

I grew more between the age of 21-24 then I did when I was 14-18. I grew 3 1/2 inches and looked better at that age then previous years.

 

[Never ever]

Having a 410 test level has nothing to do with making a decision to take AAS or not. It also has nothing to do with your body being fully developed. Natural testosterone isn't directly proportionate to how a body develops

I grew more between the age of 21-24 then I did when I was 14-18. I grew 3 1/2 inches and looked better at that age then previous years.

But sir, my grown plates are closed. I looked with x ray.

 

[tbonexl]

It's not even so much physical growth, it's a maturity level too. You don't really mature until you're in your mid twenties for most. Starting gear too young can throw off your hormones and cause your brain not to fully develop. Not to mention all the other things that were mentioned too...

 

[Never ever]

It's not even so much physical growth, it's a maturity level too. You don't really mature until you're in your mid twenties for most. Starting gear too young can throw off your hormones and cause your brain not to fully develop. Not to mention all the other things that were mentioned too...

You are wrong my friend. Yes, starting too young can f*k your testosterone hormone BUT testosterone doesn't effect negativity your brain. Other steroids? I dont know.

 

[Milton]

As everyone on this forum suggest to stay away from AAS until they are 21 so my question is why a 18 year old would have more side effects then a 21 years old l... The major side effects of steroids are

1)Loss of sperm count:
From what i have researched all AAS are supressive to natural test production and every AAS from test to dbol will decrease sperm count regardless of any age whether 18 or 21.

2) Stunted growth:
and if we talk about height then till 18 mostly guys stop growing and if height is a concern then a guy can simply have an xray to know if he has stopped growing or not...

3) Acne , Hairloss:
The other issue is having acne and hairloss and from my research i have concluded that both these things depends on genetics and both of these can be stopped... ***128138;


So again my question is what the difference in a 18 and 21 years old when it comes to using roids???

Does anyone disagree with the above? And on what basis if you do?

21 or 24 years of age? 24 is better to start at.

 

[jozifp103]

You are wrong my friend. Yes, starting too young can f*k your testosterone hormone BUT testosterone doesn't effect negativity your brain. Other steroids? I dont know.

No he is not wrong....you are wrong. Hormones play a large part in brain and cognitive development.

 

[Southernfish]

Endocrine system developing until 25? I don't understand that. When I was 19, i had 410 ng/dl testosterone. When I was 20, I had 410 again. When I was 21, I had 410 again. I'm 22. So, I'm sure I still have 410. God damn. I'm young and this test level is less.

You endocrine system isnt just whats in you body that produces Testosterone. Its clusters of glands that secret and regulate every single hormone in your body. This system functioning properly is essential for physical and mental well being.

You are wrong my friend. Yes, starting too young can f*k your testosterone hormone BUT testosterone doesn't effect negativity your brain. Other steroids? I dont know.

He is NOT wrong, he is right. Any suppressive compound, including Testosterone, if taken during the developmental phase of your endocrine system will have a negative effect on your brain, among other things. And you can be damn sure that messing with your endocrine system too early and possible damaging Test production which would lead to low Testosterone is going to have a negative effect on your brain.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

You are wrong my friend. Yes, starting too young can f*k your testosterone hormone BUT testosterone doesn't effect negativity your brain. Other steroids? I dont know.

You need to spend some time educating yourself because clearly your clueless about all of this.
Start with the stickies, which include this thread that talks about the impact of AAS on brain development:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/674832-rippedzilla-s-thread-knowledge.html#post3578158


Since writing that post, the evidence has actually strengthened for the case of waiting until your at least 23-25 before using steroids.
Here is a recent study showing the clear impact steroids have on brain development:

Brain and cognition abnormalities in long-term anabolic-androgenic steroid users. - PubMed - NCBI

"This multimodal magnetic resonance imaging study of the brain compared 10 male weightlifters reporting long-term AAS use with 10 age-matched weightlifters reporting no AAS exposure...
AAS users had larger right amygdala volumes than nonusers (P=0.002) and reduced rsFC between right amygdala and frontal, striatal, limbic, hippocampal, and visual cortical areas."

And another study showing that brain does indeed continue developing well into your early-mid 20s with an average cut off point of 25 (same age recommended by vets):

Mapping continued brain growth and gray matter density reduction in dorsal frontal cortex: Inverse relationships during postadolescent brain matura... - PubMed - NCBI

"In this study, we conducted detailed spatial and temporal analyses of growth and gray matter density at the cortical surface of the brain in a group of 35 normally developing children, adolescents, and young adults...
Fourteen children (7-11 years; mean age, 9.3 ± 1.3 years; 7 boys and 7 girls), 11 adolescents (12-16 years; mean age, 13.8 ± 1.6 years; 6 boys and 5 girls), and 10 young adults (23-30 years; mean age, 25.6 ± 2.0 years; 5 men and 5 women) were studied...
In this report...we have mapped the spatial distribution of late brain growth and demonstrate that it does indeed continue in the frontal and posterior temporal lobes during the postadolescent years regardless of whether individual differences in global brain size are controlled."

So yea...we're not "wrong" about any of this stuff

 

[Never ever]

You need to spend some time educating yourself because clearly your clueless about all of this.
Start with the stickies, which include this thread that talks about the impact of AAS on brain development:

steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/674832-rippedzilla-s-thread-knowledge.html#post3578158


Since writing that post, the evidence has actually strengthened for the case of waiting until your at least 23-25 before using steroids.
Here is a recent study showing the clear impact steroids have on brain development:

Brain and cognition abnormalities in long-term anabolic-androgenic steroid users. - PubMed - NCBI

"This multimodal magnetic resonance imaging study of the brain compared 10 male weightlifters reporting long-term AAS use with 10 age-matched weightlifters reporting no AAS exposure...
AAS users had larger right amygdala volumes than nonusers (P=0.002) and reduced rsFC between right amygdala and frontal, striatal, limbic, hippocampal, and visual cortical areas."

And another study showing that brain does indeed continue developing well into your early-mid 20s with an average cut off point of 25 (same age recommended by vets):

Mapping continued brain growth and gray matter density reduction in dorsal frontal cortex: Inverse relationships during postadolescent brain matura... - PubMed - NCBI

"In this study, we conducted detailed spatial and temporal analyses of growth and gray matter density at the cortical surface of the brain in a group of 35 normally developing children, adolescents, and young adults...
Fourteen children (7-11 years; mean age, 9.3 ± 1.3 years; 7 boys and 7 girls), 11 adolescents (12-16 years; mean age, 13.8 ± 1.6 years; 6 boys and 5 girls), and 10 young adults (23-30 years; mean age, 25.6 ± 2.0 years; 5 men and 5 women) were studied...
In this report...we have mapped the spatial distribution of late brain growth and demonstrate that it does indeed continue in the frontal and posterior temporal lobes during the postadolescent years regardless of whether individual differences in global brain size are controlled."

So yea...we're not "wrong" about any of this stuff

My friend, this study says AAS. So it can be anything like trenbolone. I'm talking about testosterone. Testosterone is natural to your body.

 

[505jules]

Why ask the question if you aren't going to listen just because you didn't get the answer you wanted. I think this speaks volumes about your maturity level and why you should've waited.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Again, I think you need to educate yourself on basic human biology (and actually read all the information I'm providing you) before forming an opinion on this topic.

Testosterone secretion is controlled by the BRAIN because it is all part of the same signalling system - the endocrine system specifically. Its an interactive system so don't be naive in trying to isolate different parts of it (test doesn't effect the brain, etc).
When you introduce exogenous AAS into the mix, REGARDLESS of the compounds chosen, your interfering with the endocrine system as a whole. The impact may vary between the compounds but the fact still remains that they ALL have an impact on brain development since your brain is a major part of this system.
It would be stupid to think that your only interfering with 1 part and it will have no impact on the rest of the system. Very stupid indeed.

I'm trying to keep this as simple as possible for you.
It is not possible to take AAS, regardless of the compound, before your endocrine system (brain included) is done developing without it having a permanent impact on that system.