18yo, 6 wks on TRT, pre-Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) bloodwork. Possible mistake???

[STAUNCHED427]

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[bigben34]

Your T levels weren't low to begin with, not sure why you were prescribed testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), let alone 250mg a week...Thats quite a high dose to be starting with. When are you getting blood work done again? As you said, you may have dropped your E2 level too low...Also, some people are just very sensitive to Adex. You may need Exemestane as an alternative to adex. It's really a process of trial and error to get dialed in properly. IMO, I would get BW done asap...Make sure your T levels are in the right place (I'm guessing your peak is too high w/ 250mg a week). You may need to adjust that dose. Next thing would be to split that shot in half and inject every 3.5 days and drop the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) until you get BW done and know that your T levels are in the right place.

I will say that, IF I were you, I would do a PCT and restart your natty production...I honestly don't think you need testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at this point in your life, especially based on those #'s you posted. But, my guess is that you don't want to stop TRT....Were your thyroid levels checked?

 

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[Megatron28]

I didn't think they were that low however I was looking at 467 in what I thought was the usual ng/dl on the 200-1100 (roughly) scale and for an 18 year old thats a little strange and seemed like the most likely thing to be causing this. I get blood work done in 4 days but I plan on dropping the adex to .25mg as libido is deffintly taking a dive. If not, exemestane yes was my next option.

As you said splitting the dose would be preferable, I woud much rather do 250mg broken up to 125mg E4D to keep things stable and hopefully that may mean I can avoid running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). The only thing is that my prescription comes in preloaded 1ml barrells so I would have to transfer over to a syringe and use that 4 days after... I know many people do it and preload their syringes for some upto the whole length of their cycle so a few days should be allright?

Yes thyroid levels were checked also, I have added them into the original post just for easier reference to the other collected results.

Cheers

Once you load test into your syringe you need to use it right away. At the moat, within a few hours. The testosterone can disolve the stopper on the plunge and you will then be injecting that into your body. Not worth the risk. Ask your pharmacy/doctor for a 10mg vial instead of ampules.

If this isn't an option perhaps you could transfer thew ampules into an empty sterile vial?

 

[STAUNCHED427]

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[Megatron28]

Quite surprised this hasn't attracted any attention... 18 years old with no previous AAS use that has been put on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and asking for help? You'd think this would have drawn some more attention, it couldn't get any worse of a situation. I am not fishing for replies or being impatient I am merely frustrated and bewildered how this has had next to no replies?

Also in regards to bigbens post of my T levels werent that low to begin with, according to my total test levels 17nmol/L equates to 489ng/dl... In range but for an 18 year old, really?

It seemed like you were telling us about your experience; not asking direct questions or looking for feedback. I answered your one specific question about pre-loading syringes.

If you have specific questions put a "?" at the end of the sentence and make it a clear question. Don't write run-on sentences. A header works great too. Perhaps, "Here are the 12 questions I have".

Do you want to talk about whether or not you should have gone on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? If I were 18 I would do everything possible to try and fix my low T first. But you and your doctor already made the decision to start injecting test.

 

[Megatron28]

Quite surprised this hasn't attracted any attention... 18 years old with no previous AAS use that has been put on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and asking for help? You'd think this would have drawn some more attention, it couldn't get any worse of a situation. I am not fishing for replies or being impatient I am merely frustrated and bewildered how this has had next to no replies?

Also in regards to bigbens post of my T levels werent that low to begin with, according to my total test levels 17nmol/L equates to 489ng/dl... In range but for an 18 year old, really?

Read the following. There is a table that shows T and Free T levels by age -- ranges and the average. Just scroll down a bit.

http://www.cixip.com/index.php/page/content/id/712

It looks like 18 year olds average around 550. So you are not terribly below that if your are at 489. Did you consider sleep, diet, exercise, weight, etc. before jumping on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? There are many things that can lower T. Did you try "dynamic therapy" (aka restart or PCT) to see if you could jump start your HPTA? What things did you do or consider before hopping on the needle for life?

 

[totalburnout]

Quite surprised this hasn't attracted any attention... 18 years old with no previous AAS use that has been put on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and asking for help? You'd think this would have drawn some more attention, it couldn't get any worse of a situation. I am not fishing for replies or being impatient I am merely frustrated and bewildered how this has had next to no replies?

Also in regards to bigbens post of my T levels werent that low to begin with, according to my total test levels 17nmol/L equates to 489ng/dl... In range but for an 18 year old, really?

1) You weren't clinically low, although you weren't optimal.
2) There should have been other methods your doctor pursued.
3) Unless you're a huge guy, your dose is way too high for a therapeutic dose.
4) What's your diet look like? Fasting glucose is in range but depending on your diet - it may or may not be surprising.
5) One single blood test that had you below average, doesn't necessarily present a good picture. Blood work is just a snapshot of a period in time. If that was taken mid day, after poor sleep, after a long workout, or after being in a calorie deficit - I'm not at all surprised where your T levels were at to begin with.

When you're 18, say that you've "trained for some time" (you're 18 - you haven't, its not possible at that age) and that you had researched anabolics "for awhile", we all kind of get the idea and know the score. You weren't feeling great and you want to put on body mass, right?

 

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[LittleJohnny]

First off, you're 18 and refer to this as a hobby. That's probably a warning sign.

2nd, 250mg test a week is a lot for an 18 year old with a 489 beginning test level unless you're 6' 4" and weigh 250 lbs. I take 140mg every 5 days and those are my measurements. I started with a test level around 200 and now hover around 800 in my trough and 1200+ at peak. I'm also 50 years old and have been training since I was 13. The most I ever took was 300mg a week and that put my test level off the chart.

Please don't take people's comments as a personal attack. Just believe it when guys decades older than you with years of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) experience answer you. The guys here really know what they're talking about. And it appears as though you're a bit too interested in going full throttle without really listening. Take your time so you don't fuck yourself up at such an early age.

 

[Megatron28]

Blood was drawn first thing in the morning, overnight fasting. Another blood test was taken yesterday, results will be ready in a week or so.

I don't think 250mg is too much of a concern, however we won't know until yesterdays blood results are back and here in Aus there isn't much choice, either preloaded 250mg Test E or 1ml Sus250 amps. 250mg for most will give them optimal blood levels, some will give them average and some will be well over range.

I will try aquire some vials so I can just store it and split the injections to E4D and possibly avoid using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) by keeping blood levels stable. If I am on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), I don't want mediocre in range values, if I am on this I want to optimise to the best I can, I think anyone would agree with that statement.

My health and diet is all up to scratch, I don't drink either.

Not sure how to take your final comment regarding the age/trained for some time... I get the sense you think this is some young dickhead talking here. This isn't about training or what I know or what I think I don't know so don't turn it into that, please. I don't claim to know it all. I have trained for 3 years and researching AAS for the past 2 and am the kind of person to take onboard whatever comments or advice is given as you would know this is the kind of hobby that you will constantly learn with, how your body works, adapts, what works and what doesnt, the bullshit from the fact, so please, do not treat me like that.

I agree that if you have to do testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and deal with all its crap that you should be afforded the benefit of getting your TT in the upper end of the normal range. But the question with you is do you need to be on TRT. 489 is pretty close to the average natural TT level for your age. Did you address the things I asked you about to see if you could improve your TT level before looking to the needle? If I could get my Natty T restored to a normal level I would love getting of TRT.

You talked about researching cycling. That is not a good idea at your age, but you are an adult and you can make your own decisions. Do a cycle if you think that is in your best interest and everyone else is wrong. But I hope getting on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) isn't your way of getting the materials to start cycling. The longer you keep injecting exogenous test the harder it will be to get your natty T back should you ever want to stop.

 

[prudens]

460 is not low... I was 290. Now 850ish.

 

[joliver]

This is not an indictment against you, but in the name of thoroughness, most illicit drugs will negatively impact testosterone levels. Lots of weed and pill guys walking around with a decent pair of tits these days.