1st cycle for athlete

[TheMilkMan]

Why do you guys think that Test E or C would be best? For an athlete would you not want prop for the less water retention? for an athlete what do you guys think about:

Week 1-12 Test Prop 80mg EOD (low dose cause an athelte does not need too much extra weight to sacrifice speed)
Week 1-3- Winstrol (winny) 40mg ED
Week 8 to 12 Winstrol (winny) 40mg ED
Week 3 to 12 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 200iu twice a week
Week 13-17 40 40 20 20 Nolvadex

Or do you guys think that may be too much pinning for 12 weeks?

That's not good advice, Winstrol is a terrible steroid for most athletes and you're recommending 280mg/wk of Test... I would NOT run that if I was him

 

[eg519]

Something else just occurred to me, and tell me if I'm a complete idiot. I've been hearing mixed advice considering my age and current natural test levels, regarding taking test. So since my body is probably at peak test levels, would it make sense to take something for strength/muscle hardness? I mean, with high test levels, low bf, good training, and a heavy clean diet I should be able to add a lot of weight right? So why not increase my strength with something like anavar, and let my gains come from stimulation from moving more weight with a "milder" steroid. I only say this because I am only 21 and am still a bit concerned about taking test. I just figure that my natural test level is already high enough to see proper gains, so maybe I need a strength boost to push me over the edge? Again, I may be way off.

 

[CourageTheCowardlyDog]

My personal opinion is to make sure you 1st cycle is not a stack. I would keep it to one compound.

Anavar is an orally effective steroid, however it is toxic to the liver.

I would recommend trying Deca. You will commonly read on the internet that a Deca only cycle is stupid. This may be true for the experied AAS user, but I have done Deca only cycles twice and gained much weight and size both times. Deca is relatively low in toxicity, not toxic to the liver, has low androgenic effects, and remains active for a long time. (It does remain detectable in urine for around 12 weeks.)

 

[eg519]

Pretty interesting. How could deca potentially effect my natural test levels long term? And would 300-400mg/wk be a reasonable amount?

 

[CourageTheCowardlyDog]

Deca will effect natural testoterone short term only. Using Clomid or Nolvadex starting around 3 weeks after the end of your cycle would be highly recommended. This will help your boby raise natural test levels back to normal.

 

[eg519]

Would it be best to use 20mg of nolvadex every day throughout? Or with deca just as pct?

 

[CourageTheCowardlyDog]

Just post cycle therapy (pct). Because Deca remains after for a longer period of time, post cycle therapy (pct) does not need to start until approx 3 weeks after your last shot. You would want to use Nolvadex around 40-50 mg daily for the first couple weeks of post cycle therapy (pct). Then reduce to abt 25 for another 2 weeks.

 

[eg519]

Since I have no experience there are a lot of roids that sound appealing. My biggest concern is obviously not messing up my natural test level, but I also want good mass and strength that I'll be able to maintain as good as possible since I will not be able to cycle again for roughly 10 months. My biggest worry with test e is that I'll have a tough time keeping most of my gains and too much water retention.

 

[GORDON]

That's not good advice, Winstrol is a terrible steroid for most athletes and you're recommending 280mg/wk of Test... I would NOT run that if I was him

I respect that you do not think that is good advice, can you please tell me why? From everything I know Winstrol is good for strength gains with no water retention and even has red blood cell stimulating properties. Granted it is very toxic, but I figured for an athlete it still would be very beneficial. Also, an athlete would not want to take 500mg of test a week, as that would in most cases put too much weight on the athlete especially in-season. Would it not be best to have your test a little above natural production and gain the strength benefits from the Winstrol (winny) to maximize your athletic potential, for overall speed and power? I am still learning and would like to be put in the know. thanks for your time.

 

[trainharder]

Are you guys kidding recommending him a Deca only cycle?

Not only will Deca only result in Deca-Dick, but Deca has a detection time of 18 months....don't recommend Deca to a professional athlete who might be tested.

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Hi guys! Here is some info about me I'd appreciate any help.

I play hockey at a fairly high level, and have the opportunity to play pro next season (no drug testing). I plan on going on my first cycle this summer, giving me time to pack on as much weight as I can until then.

I am currently 21 and 165 lbs. with very low body fat. I've been working out heavily for the last 5 years. My problem has always been trouble gaining weight. No matter how hard I supplemented and ate I always found myself stuck. No excuses though I'm continuing to push my diet.

My main problems in my sport, while my strength has always been good, was my body weight. My main goal is to gain the most weight I can by the end of the summer (planning to start cycle at beginning of summer) and maximize strength (both very obvious).

I know that the common suggestion is test for the first cycle, and I understand that. My concern though is my age and if test is a (relatively) safe solution. My original inclination was to try winstrol, until I read what a lot of people had to say. Maintaining gains is also a big thing for me. My end goals are to be at 190-200 lbs.

Something I'd like to add, before hearing any criticism regarding my age and current size, is that it's very close to a necessity for me to make large gains by the end of the summer because of the nature of my sport, and for my career. I am not however willing to jeopardize my health with drugs that are (relatively) unsafe.

I'd really appreciate any advice regarding what would be best for me to take.

Thanks!

If you have to run something.
testProp_Primo_anavar (or Turan) cycle.

And even without Prop it have to be OK.
Don't try, or hope to have all your goals in one time. step by step.
Run with a lil wisdom.

winstrol don't help your knees joint.
deca alone have no solid issues.
Milky have a good idea to.

 

[eg519]

I've decided to play it safe and cycle test e for the first go around. I'm thinking it'll look something like this:

Wk 1-10 Test E 250mg every 5 days
Wk 1-15 Nolvadex 20mg ed
Wk 13-15 Clomid (300mg first day, 100mg next 10 days, 50mg remaining 10 days)

Would this be alright?

 

[sean usmc]

i like it bro ....

 

[CourageTheCowardlyDog]

I like it to. With one compound you will learn how your body responds to Test and will help you decide on future cycles. And yes, you won't have to worry about Deca Dick with Test.

 

[TheMilkMan]

I respect that you do not think that is good advice, can you please tell me why? From everything I know Winstrol is good for strength gains with no water retention and even has red blood cell stimulating properties. Granted it is very toxic, but I figured for an athlete it still would be very beneficial. Also, an athlete would not want to take 500mg of test a week, as that would in most cases put too much weight on the athlete especially in-season. Would it not be best to have your test a little above natural production and gain the strength benefits from the Winstrol (winny) to maximize your athletic potential, for overall speed and power? I am still learning and would like to be put in the know. thanks for your time.

His main goal is to pack on some pounds... I'm a big proponent of Test to do this because the sides are very easily controlled and IMO nothing is quite as good for strength and size gains

Winstrol is very tough on your joints, and being an athlete, making the joints more brittle than they already are isn't going to help him in his sport... I ran 750mg/wk Test with 50mg/day of Winstrol and my joints were dry as hell and it really did nothing significant for me as far as strength or size

As far as speed and power, that's all going to be dependent on his training. If he wants to keep his speed and power while gaining weight, he's going to have to work on it.

For an athlete on steroids, I would recommend that he goes the lean bulk route and gains no more than 1.5 lb a week. Therefore he won't slow himself down too much.

 

[TheMilkMan]

I've decided to play it safe and cycle test e for the first go around. I'm thinking it'll look something like this:

Wk 1-10 Test E 250mg every 5 days
Wk 1-15 Nolvadex 20mg ed
Wk 13-15 Clomid (300mg first day, 100mg next 10 days, 50mg remaining 10 days)

Would this be alright?

No need to run Nolva throughout the cycle.

 

[sean usmc]

just closer to the end of it....

 

[eg519]

Starting week 7 then?

 

[GORDON]

His main goal is to pack on some pounds... I'm a big proponent of Test to do this because the sides are very easily controlled and IMO nothing is quite as good for strength and size gains

Winstrol is very tough on your joints, and being an athlete, making the joints more brittle than they already are isn't going to help him in his sport... I ran 750mg/wk Test with 50mg/day of Winstrol and my joints were dry as hell and it really did nothing significant for me as far as strength or size

As far as speed and power, that's all going to be dependent on his training. If he wants to keep his speed and power while gaining weight, he's going to have to work on it.

For an athlete on steroids, I would recommend that he goes the lean bulk route and gains no more than 1.5 lb a week. Therefore he won't slow himself down too much.

For an athlete how would you suggest doing that? Is the prop still the better way to go because of the less water retention? or does it really matter. Also, for an athlete already within 10 lbs of their goal weight just wanting to increase strength and overall power, what would be your approach for that?

 

[eg519]

Hey guys! Sorry to bring this topic up again. I'm gonna pick up the gear soon as I may not have the opportunity later and I wanna make sure I time everything properly and have everything on hand. I won't be starting yet obviously. My only concern is that I only have access to Nolva in 40mg caps. Would it be alright to use Nolva at 40mg e/d for strictly my PCT? Thanks in advance.