1st cycle Please Critique, helladrol

[dunkman1]

Hey guys i'm 23, 230 lbs, 6'3", i almost did an epistane cycle at 21 but decided not to because I got into a police academy and lost a lot of muscle with all the running and the food they made us eat but now i'm past what i was before then and i know i'm nowhere near my max potential naturally, like most people say they are as an excuse to start prohormones, I just want that extra help to get me where i want to be. i have done a TON of research and will appreciate any advice or criticism you guys have. i have lifted since 18 and eat well, especially since i'm wanting to start a cycle and i lift 5 or 6 days a week. I want to do a recomp cycle put on as much muscle as i can and lose a little fat. but this is what i'm thinking

Pre Cycle: 1 week cycle support, multivitamin

Cycle: 6 weeks Helladrol 75/75/75/75/100/100
Dermacrine
cycle support
taurine (for back pumps)
multivitamin

PCT: 4 weeks Nolva 20/20/10/10
Forma Stanzol (use during and after pct until runs out to help prevent rebound gyno?)
DAA
cycle support

I haven't bought anything except the DAA and Taurine so far so if u guys have any changes u recommend i would be glad to hear them. Another question i have is erase pro a better choice or the forma for pct or are they for different things. with the cycle support do i need to also get more liver protection like liv52 or something? does dermacrine make much of a difference or is it not worth adding to the cycle? I will try to attach a pic so u guys know where im at so far. thanks for taking the time to help me out it is much appreciated!

 

[Bootstomper]

Hey Man, good luck with the run... plan looks pretty solid. I'm a forma fan myself, but you'll likely find people with opinions going both ways on that one. For the hella dosing, 100 is where the fun begins IMO, so I'd go 75/75/75/100/100/100 (I personally get to 125 as fast as I can, but for a first cycle go with the above). Liv52 is okay, but might as well start getting familiar with TUDCA and run that with an all round support, or get an all in one support with TUDCA in it like Antaeus Aegis or prosupps Guardian (and others...).

 

[dunkman1]

thanks for takin the time to help me out man all info is much appreciated. I was thinking that i would get damage control with Tudca in it for cycle support and i will try to get dosing of hella up to a 100 by week three because i know thats when everyone says it really kicks in!

 

[Bootstomper]

thanks for takin the time to help me out man all info is much appreciated. I was thinking that i would get damage control with Tudca in it for cycle support and i will try to get dosing of hella up to a 100 by week three because i know thats when everyone says it really kicks in!

Damage Control is quality.. good choice.. should be a a good run with your set up man. Lock it in and kill it!

 

[dunkman1]

thanks man the only other question i have is is the dermacrine worth running with the cycle for a test base or is it not worth the money

 

[Bootstomper]

thanks man the only other question i have is is the dermacrine worth running with the cycle for a test base or is it not worth the money

Dermacrine (or something to play that role) is pretty much a necessity. Now, you could make it through an be okay, but for me it has other benefits besides just playing the test base role as well.

 

[dunkman1]

ok just didnt want to waste money if it wasnt gonna help but i know people say it helps with lethargy and libido and other things so ill deff get it. thanks for all the help man

 

[nickb86]

id probably add it in as well bro, cycle looks sick btw make sure to kill it

 

[dunkman1]

Thanks for the replies guys im ordering today but if anybody has any more tips or recommendations im all ears. I was wondering IF i start to get any gyno would i use forma or nolva? And would i use it until i think it subsided or through the rest of the cycle?

 

[mich29]

Thanks for the replies guys im ordering today but if anybody has any more tips or recommendations im all ears. I was wondering IF i start to get any gyno would i use forma or nolva? And would i use it until i think it subsided or through the rest of the cycle?

I like your layout I'd say pick up some femara if your really considered with gyno to have on hand just in case

 

[Gorgeliftsalot]

use an AI like dex to control estrogen and avoid gyno.
I highly rec test in all cycles IMO

 

[mich29]

any updates on this OP?

 

[dunkman1]

yea man i waited till july fourth to finishing ordering my cycle support and forma and nolva bc of the sales so saved a lil cash. i was wondering what times i should take everything bc im gonna start it when it gets here. i work 8am to 5pm and work out at home usually about 8 pm for prolly an hour and a half to 2 hours. so what times should i dose everything?
ON Cycle
Helladrol,dermacrine,cycle support, taurine?
PCT
Nolva, DAA, Forma, cycle support?
I really appreciate you guys for the help

 

[OVERSUPPLIMENTED]

Looks good. Its clear you have done your research. IMO i would go with what you can get on sale to save some coin. Forma or Dermacrine is all good from what i have read. I lucked out cause mrsupps just had Forma on sale for $50 per bottle. I grabbed 2! Keep this thread going cause I'm in for the ride. Try one week of 75mg of Helladrol. If you don't have any sides (headache or back pumps) go right to 100mg. Donta waste 2 more precious weeks on cycle with low dosage. Get it in your system and have fun. One work of advice, don't lift anything super heavy. Just get the muscles pumped full of blood. I made the mistake and hurt myself and killed my cycle. Just get the muscles working, it will benefit you 100x more then going all out. Save the max lifts for week 6 and 7!!! GL man.

 

[gymrat827]

N2BM has a sale and u really should pickup a bottle of. N2gaurd.

That would wrap up the cycle supports u need. I agree as far as u want to get to 100mg within the. 2nd wk of the cycle.


Even if u were to take a police drug test I bet the only thing that would show up would be the nolva. And that's a maybe.


It's very odd and costly to test for aas

 

[dunkman1]

thanks guys! oversupplimented i read ur thread a few times got some good info out of it. sucks u got injured man i know a bunch of people get injured like that bc they know they can do more weight but the rest of their body cant handle it yet. i know n2guard is good stuff but damn its expensive! i got blockade for on cycle and post cycle support. and i will keep posting throughout my cycle im just waiting for my nolva now should be here in a day or so and ill be ready to start

 

[OVERSUPPLIMENTED]

thanks guys! oversupplimented i read ur thread a few times got some good info out of it. sucks u got injured man i know a bunch of people get injured like that bc they know they can do more weight but the rest of their body cant handle it yet. i know n2guard is good stuff but damn its expensive! i got blockade for on cycle and post cycle support. and i will keep posting throughout my cycle im just waiting for my nolva now should be here in a day or so and ill be ready to start

I shopped around and got a bottle of n2guard for $59 shipped. Amazon deal.

 

[gymrat827]

N2BM has a sale. Hit up Dylan.

 

[dunkman1]

Just an update incase anyone's interested today's the second day of my cycle and I finally know what back pumps feel like lol time to take some taurine. Yesterday was first day on and I did shoulders and I swear my shoulders were more pumped during workout than usual but prolly just in my head. I'll probably update as much as I can just to help stay motivated.

 

[dunkman1]

Prolly just use vitamin c for cortisol control. So it's day 3 I feel fine still started to get some headaches day one but been drinking two gallons of water a day now and haven't felt any so my question is should I just finish this first week at 75mg then the other five weeks go to 100 or do at least two weeks at 75mg.