1st steroid cycle advice

[jeffruggs]

38
5'9
185
14% BF

I have been working out for a few years but only have been serious for the last full year.. I did a cycle a test about 15 years ago..

my diet is strict and my workout program and cardio routine are on point for my goals, which is to gain some lean muscle (I dont want to gain to much weight whcih is why my diet is impoprtant during the cycle)while dropping to 10% or better in body fat. So basically I want a cutting cycle..

I recently came across a guy who suggested a cycle.. I have been doing my research over the last few months on all gear, This guy suggested the below

"i think you would benefit from a 8 to 12 week cycle, taking testosterone propionate as your base, Eq then up to you if you want winstrol liquid or trenbolone.In my opinion i would take propionate and eq for whole duration of cycle...

trenbolone first half of cycle and the winstrol the othe half. so prop/eq/tren for first 4weeks, then prop/eq/winstrol last 4weeks, thats for 8week cycle".

My thoughts are to cut out the trenbolone and and maybe even the EQ altogether.I was under the impression that EQ was to be used longer then 8 weeks to have the affect it should.. am I wrong about this? can it be used for only 8 weeks?

iIf it will do its job for only 8 weeks I will include it..

My suggestion on my first cycle would be (suggestion on doses would be appreciated as well)
Test - 1-10 weeks 400-500 mgs a Week
Winstrol - 4-10 weeks 25-50mg (inject) or 50mg tabs if they become available

fish oil and milk thistle will be taken as precautions

wait 3 weeks and start PCT for 4 weeks (chlomid)

 

[3J]

38
5'9
185
14% BF

I have been working out for a few years but only have been serious for the last full year.. I did a cycle a test about 15 years ago..

my diet is strict and my workout program and cardio routine are on point for my goals, which is to gain some lean muscle (I dont want to gain to much weight whcih is why my diet is impoprtant during the cycle)while dropping to 10% or better in body fat. So basically I want a cutting cycle..

smart man... i'd be more then happy to help you out with that.. click on my link at the bottom...
I recently came across a guy who suggested a cycle.. I have been doing my research over the last few months on all gear, This guy suggested the below

"i think you would benefit from a 8 to 12 week cycle, taking testosterone propionate as your base, Eq then up to you if you want winstrol liquid or trenbolone.In my opinion i would take propionate and eq for whole duration of cycle...

trenbolone first half of cycle and the winstrol the othe half. so prop/eq/tren for first 4weeks, then prop/eq/winstrol last 4weeks, thats for 8week cycle".

My thoughts are to cut out the trenbolone and and maybe even the EQ altogether.I was under the impression that EQ was to be used longer then 8 weeks to have the affect it should.. am I wrong about this? can it be used for only 8 weeks?
the guys an idiot.. you got the right idea going forward.. drop the eq.. drop everything but the test
iIf it will do its job for only 8 weeks I will include it..

My suggestion on my first cycle would be (suggestion on doses would be appreciated as well)
Test - 1-10 weeks 400-500 mgs a Week prop??
Winstrol - 4-10 weeks 25-50mg (inject) or 50mg tabs if they become available
doesn't look bad at all, since you have one cycle under your belt, i'd say the winnie is okay.. yet im not a big fan of winnie, how about some var??
fish oil and milk thistle will be taken as precautions

wait 3 weeks and start PCT for 4 weeks (chlomid)

comments in bold...

 

[jeffruggs]

Thanks man, not a big fan of this guy, which is why i wanted to post on here first..

and Yes Test Prop,
and I have looked into Anavar (var) as well.. Im not crazy about the sides from winnie use (who is?) lol, but Anavar (var) seems to be a bit harder to get my hands on.. I'm thinking with the proper precations and knwoledge (and the short term use of it) i should be ok.. and i will check out your link bro.. any other advice is welcomed..

thanks again

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

yea i say scrap the winny-most guys will tell you its not worth drying out your joints unless you are under 10%. if higher than ten the effects will not be as pronounced.

i like jamy's idea

prop 1-8 150mg EOD
Anavar (var) 1-8 50mg ED

start PCT 4 days after last shot of prop
stop Anavar (var) 1 day before PCT

or if you do not want to inject EOD

1-5 TBOL 40-60mg
1-12 test enanthate 500mg a week

start PCT 2 weeks after last shot of enanthate.

 

[3J]

just make sure you have a proper pct on hand before you start.. your stats look primed for a cycle... looking forward to seeing u in my diet thread..

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

if you want to keep water off with the enanthate-run aromasin 12.5mg EOD

 

[3J]

yea i say scrap the winny-most guys will tell you its not worth drying out your joints unless you are under 10%. if higher than ten the effects will not be as pronounced.

i like jamy's idea

prop 1-8 150mg EOD
Anavar (var) 1-8 50mg ED

start PCT 4 days after last shot of prop
stop Anavar (var) 1 day before PCT

or if you do not want to inject EOD

1-5 TBOL 40-60mg
1-12 test enanthate 500mg a week

start PCT 2 weeks after last shot of enanthate.

id have to say that's overkill for someone with just one cycle under his belt... 100mg eod is more then enough imo... prop is a light ester...

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

i know-but i just dont like running any test under 500-just my opinion

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

suspension would prob be the only exception-but i have yet to try it

 

[jeffruggs]

Thanks, I think I'm leaning towards your suggestions.. Seems to be a bit more on point and where i want to be physically..

prop 1-8 150mg EOD
var 1-8 50mg ED

I will have the proper PCT on hand before i start as well.. this was my first post on here and i'm glad i ddid my research for months before i posted.. I have seen you guys rip a few posters every now and then..

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

like jamy said you could start with 100mg EOD-you can always go up. but that should be a sweet cycle for your goals-but mke sure to get some real anavar-it can be hard to come by.

 

[3J]

i know-but i just dont like running any test under 500-just my opinion

why down-regulate androgen receptors more then you need to?? 100mg eod should give off wonderful gains..

think about this.. if you run 500mg of test e weekly, ur really running closer to 350mg of pure test thanks to the ester weight...

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

right-prob is what kind of test does he have? is it dosed properly?

next part is-if i only run 350 im gettin what-275? (i dont feel like doing the math or looking up the ester weight right now)

your body can produce almost 200mg of pure test a week-75mg diff just dont cut it for me-this is based on personal experience-and i know for sure my prop was dosed correctly.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

why down-regulate androgen receptors more then you need to??

also from what i learned on the board-you make new receptors all the time.

 

[jeffruggs]

I guess based on my goals 150mg would be good.. like you said, i can always up it to 250mg/350mg if need be (I guess i can make that call 4 weeks in)..

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

no no jeff

prop has to be shot Every Other Day at least-and even then i feel up and down-i might run it Every Day next time.

so 100mgEOD is 350mg a week.

150mg EOD is 525mg a week

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

you will not need more than 150mg EOD-so maybe start at 100mg EOD and see how that goes.

 

[jeffruggs]

and this is the reason why i posted,, I appreciate the feedback.. I will do that 100mg to start and go from there, based on what I read (its your diet that dictates hwo your grow), so my diet is in check i should only gain lean muscle

 

[3J]

right-prob is what kind of test does he have? is it dosed properly?

next part is-if i only run 350 im gettin what-275? (i dont feel like doing the math or looking up the ester weight right now)

your body can produce almost 200mg of pure test a week-75mg diff just dont cut it for me-this is based on personal experience-and i know for sure my prop was dosed correctly.

i was under the impression that your body doesn't produce over 100mg a week...

 

[jeffruggs]

Thanks Newbie