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[qaz8]

Hey everyone,

I'm 21 years of age, and have been lifting for about 6 years(off and on, I've always played sports and right now my new passion is rugby). I'm 6"4 around 220 but my body fat has never been below 10%, I have no prob gaining size and strength but I have never achieved the look I wanted. I'm genetically pre-desposed to store fat evenly over my body if I was a fat guy I'd be apple shaped, not pear shaped. I want to put on 15 pounds of muscle(keep in mind I'm a big framed guy) and have a six pack. Injections don't scare me, I'd rather inject that risk dammage to my liver. The cycle I'm think about taking is similar to one I saw on the ironman website. I'd like to take winstrol depot and test for 8 weeks...is this a good stack for a beginner? I want to loose fat while putting on a few pounds. The fat loss is the primary goal, but I need the muscle and strength for rugby. So if this is the way to go what dosages do you guys recomend and what should I do for post cycle? I havn't bought anything yet. Thanks!

 

[qaz8]

One more thing...I havn't grown in a year, my doc told me my growth plates are matured and I'm filled out, my b day is in a month so I'm pretty sure I'm good to go

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Welcome to Steroidology !!

What I always recommend for a first cycle is this;

Either Test Enanthate or Test Cypionate @ 400-500 mg/week for 8-10 weeks, followed by Clomid therapy starting 2 weeks after your last injection. Make sure you have Nolvadex on hand in case gyno rears it's ugly head.

Your diet and training are going to be the key factors in acheiving your goal.

 

[qaz8]

so thats one injection (400-500) every 7 days for 8 weeks and then wait two weeks before clomid? And for diet do I eat to gain, because I definately don't want to loose what definition I have attained? And sorry but what the heck is gyno? Thanks for the help!

 

[StoneColdNTO]

I would do two injects a week......but you can get by with one no problem.

Yes....eat to gain....but eat clean then you'll keep fat accumulation to a minimium.

Gyno = Bitch Tits

 

[qaz8]

And stay away from winstrol for my first cycle?

 

[bosshog]

in case he didnt answer your question. Bitch tits is what you get when your body starts to convert testosterone into estrogen and you start growing female like breasts . Heres a pic !
http://www.breastlift.org/gyne_gallery.cfm

 

[StoneColdNTO]

And stay away from winstrol for my first cycle?

Yes......just do one drug your first cycle (Test) and learn how you react to it. Leave the stacking for future cycles.

 

[qaz8]

good deal and thanks again

 

[Kim the Swede]

injections twice a week like SC said is most optimal.
I would do like this...or this is exactly how I am gonna do mine, I am going to build up some muscle and cut in the end.

Week 1-10 500mg susta EW
Week 9-13 50mg Winstrol (winny) ED

You have received all your gains before week 9. Or most of them, and using Winstrol (winny) as a cutter would be good. Or at least, thats what I think. This is the way I am doing mine...but the general consensous on this board is 400-500mg testo 8-10 weeks with a long acting ester. Susta/enanth/cyp