22 Y/O - Second Cycle Advice

[jspike44]

Hey guys,

So I completed my first cycle back in I guess it would've been May. I'm looking to do my next one in Feb. 2016.
My first cycle was Test E 500mg/wk for 12 wks., ran HCG throughout at 500ml/wk and PCT consisted of Nolva (40/40/20/20) and Clomid (100/100/50/50). Also took Aromasin throughout.

My second cycle I'm thinking either Test E and Dbol or Test E and Deca. I'm leaning towards the Dbol because I've heard Deca takes a toll on the body and it's a longer recovery (but works well). However, I'm looking to make some more mass gains.

I went from 195-214lbs for my first cycle, which I was very pleased with. I'm also 6' 1". I'm about 208lbs. right now.

I'm thinking my PCT will be somewhat similar and I was tossing around the idea of pinning HCG after cycle but before PCT (and not throughout) and take it more frequently in a higher quantity.

Thoughts guys?!

 

[SoHo]

i would pick deca over dbol any day. what doses were you thinking of running?

 

[jspike44]

i would pick deca over dbol any day. what doses were you thinking of running?

If I was going to run deca I'd likely do 500 Test E/250 Deca or 600 Test E/300 Deca over 14 weeks but I'm unsure on that. Buddy I did the cycle with wants to up the test a bit, but I'm not sure if it's necessary.

 

[SoHo]

If I was going to run deca I'd likely do 500 Test E/250 Deca or 600 Test E/300 Deca over 14 weeks but I'm unsure on that. Buddy I did the cycle with wants to up the test a bit, but I'm not sure if it's necessary.

do 500 test 500 deca

 

[gdawg71]

I would kick with dbol for 6 weeks with 5-600 test and 400 deca . I have done scally power blast after cycle but also have run hcg throughout . I decide to cruise in the end . I am 44 with a child . At 22 you need to consider the consequences .

 

[ozzyozzy21]

Most people on here will tell you running the hgc throughout the cycle is best. Maybe so but only fractionally in my opinion. I have ran cycles both ways and had multiple blood tests and FOR ME the difference is negligible. My go to is 1000iu hgc for every other day for 10 days starting day after last pin.
As far as your other choice if you are trying to gain size id recommend deca. That being said, it is only your 2nd cycle and it's very smart to only add 1 new compound at a time. Good luck bro!

 

[jspike44]

do 500 test 500 deca

Okay, thanks!

I would kick with dbol for 6 weeks with 5-600 test and 400 deca . I have done scally power blast after cycle but also have run hcg throughout . I decide to cruise in the end . I am 44 with a child . At 22 you need to consider the consequences .

I will for sure. And that's why I'm seeking advice! But you're right.. because I'm young I only want to add one new compound for this one.

Most people on here will tell you running the hgc throughout the cycle is best. Maybe so but only fractionally in my opinion. I have ran cycles both ways and had multiple blood tests and FOR ME the difference is negligible. My go to is 1000iu hgc for every other day for 10 days starting day after last pin.
As far as your other choice if you are trying to gain size id recommend deca. That being said, it is only your 2nd cycle and it's very smart to only add 1 new compound at a time. Good luck bro!

Okay, thanks ozzy! I really want to try the blast after cycle. Or maybe try doing the last month or 6 weeks or something and blasting HCG after. Maybe that isn't smart though haha. What dose would you run deca at? And yes, I only want to add one this time!

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Most people on here will tell you running the hgc throughout the cycle is best. Maybe so but only fractionally in my opinion. I have ran cycles both ways and had multiple blood tests and FOR ME the difference is negligible. My go to is 1000iu hgc for every other day for 10 days starting day after last pin.
As far as your other choice if you are trying to gain size id recommend deca. That being said, it is only your 2nd cycle and it's very smart to only add 1 new compound at a time. Good luck bro!

^^^^ Yup. Or even longer on the HCG after things like Deca and Tren, 3-4 weeks.

 

[jozifp103]

Deca will give far better quality gains than dbol...and they will be much more sustainable. Considering 60% of dbol gains is water.

If you're concerned with recovery from deca you can always try NPP. Nandrolone phenyl propionate). It's the short acting version of deca. Same compound, just kicks in faster and clears your system faster when you stop. Maybe 400mg of npp from weeks 2-12. You may fall in love with it.

 

[jspike44]

^^^^ Yup. Or even longer on the HCG after things like Deca and Tren, 3-4 weeks.

Okay, good to know!

Deca will give far better quality gains than dbol...and they will be much more sustainable. Considering 60% of dbol gains is water.

If you're concerned with recovery from deca you can always try NPP. Nandrolone phenyl propionate). It's the short acting version of deca. Same compound, just kicks in faster and clears your system faster when you stop. Maybe 400mg of npp from weeks 2-12. You may fall in love with it.

I just want to say I really am appreciating the input guys! Thanks jozifp, I have read about NPP as well and it is seeming like a really good option at this point actually!

 

[jspike44]

It seems like people are liking the Test Prop/NPP combo either pinning EOD or ED. Some seem to like higher NPP over test and other the other way around lol. I didn't have any sides of Test E, it worked great. So, I'd likely run a little less NPP. How much different is Prop than Enth though? I know it's shorter acting (in which case I'd have to lower the cycle length) but any other differences? And how much of a factor would adding two new compounds into the mix be. I doubt I'd react horrible to Prop but just curious.

 

[Roush]

for a second cycle.. easiest thing to do, imo.. is just to run a long ester test as your base, like 500 mg of test E. then, if you want a deca/nandrolone.. run NPP at 100mg Eod. Test Prop is great for a front load or short cycle,, but for a base, Test E is just fine and will require less injections. keeping it simple is usually best

 

[luckypaul]

Hey guys,

So I completed my first cycle back in I guess it would've been May. I'm looking to do my next one in Feb. 2016.
My first cycle was Test E 500mg/wk for 12 wks., ran HCG throughout at 500ml/wk and PCT consisted of Nolva (40/40/20/20) and Clomid (100/100/50/50). Also took Aromasin throughout.

My second cycle I'm thinking either Test E and Dbol or Test E and Deca. I'm leaning towards the Dbol because I've heard Deca takes a toll on the body and it's a longer recovery (but works well). However, I'm looking to make some more mass gains.

I went from 195-214lbs for my first cycle, which I was very pleased with. I'm also 6' 1". I'm about 208lbs. right now.

I'm thinking my PCT will be somewhat similar and I was tossing around the idea of pinning HCG after cycle but before PCT (and not throughout) and take it more frequently in a higher quantity.

Thoughts guys?!

Imo dbol takes a greater toll on the body. There is a longer recovery when using deca because of the long half-life. If you keep the dose of deca low, you can drop it from your cycle 3-4 weeks before before the end of your cycle, and still reap the benifits. Because it is highly anabolic, you don't need much inorder to bump up the anabolic effect over using testosterone alone. 200-300 mg deca ew would be plenty. I'm not a fan of starting cycles with an orol like dbol or anadrol. I think using test prop or npp would be a better option.

 

[jspike44]

for a second cycle.. easiest thing to do, imo.. is just to run a long ester test as your base, like 500 mg of test E. then, if you want a deca/nandrolone.. run NPP at 100mg Eod. Test Prop is great for a front load or short cycle,, but for a base, Test E is just fine and will require less injections. keeping it simple is usually best

I'm definitely not opposed to simple! Thanks

Imo dbol takes a greater toll on the body. There is a longer recovery when using deca because of the long half-life. If you keep the dose of deca low, you can drop it from your cycle 3-4 weeks before before the end of your cycle, and still reap the benifits. Because it is highly anabolic, you don't need much inorder to bump up the anabolic effect over using testosterone alone. 200-300 mg deca ew would be plenty. I'm not a fan of starting cycles with an orol like dbol or anadrol. I think using test prop or npp would be a better option.

Okay, so I've now ruled out dbol from your guys' input! Now it seems like I should run test e with either a shorter stint of deca or a slightly longer stint of npp. And so far is what I'm hearing is that NPP would be the better choice