23 years old 7 years training first cycle

[dam]

hy i do alot of research , about anything.i have 23 years old in about 1 week, i have train for about 7 years, 200 lbs 183 cm, 10%bf ,43 cm in arms on rest days. is ok wit my age?
first time i was thinking about 12 week of test e (testobolin alpha pharma)
500 mg test e /week
6/12 mg aromasin/
500 u.i hcg on cycle /week
pct clomnid 6 weeks/week 1 50mg than .25 for 5 week
tamox 1-6 w/first week 40 mg than 20 mg
and supplements daa,fish oil,zma,vitamin d 10000 u.i multi.bcaa whey creatine,carnitine
.but i read anabolic book Llewellyn, William 9th edition
and i thinking now for 10 weeks first weeks 250 mg test
than week 2-9 500mg/w and the last week 250 mg. is my cycle ok i steel read a lot but more advice from veterans good for me to take a proper decision.
and also i thinking to make a blood test , total test and free test and if i have a full test i think the best is to wait a little , if is slightly decreased even is in normal range i think is ok to start , advice? thank you.

 

[juced_porkchop]

i would rec waiting till 25 IMO

 

[tbonexl]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...ycling-beginners-guide-safe-androgen-use.html


Tapering your dose is a complete waist.

 

[dam]

after to think about aas i have a good diet , i monitoring my calories 35 % protein 40 carbs 25 healty fat
good train (4 days split body /upper body /lower body) and i try all supplements posibile , until i until I realized what ii all need is creatine fishoil , bcaa(when im cuttyng or i when i try to keep my body in a anabolic state) whey dextroze multi,vitamin d. View attachment 559406
this is a photo with me after a upper body workout (im all natural) in this photo iv come after 4200 kal becouse i was on keto diet and lose some muscle ,i dont like it, and then 4200 kal and i was bak muscle memory shows his face i think, now im a little flat becouse im on 2800-2900 kal + salbutamol , i want to lose much i can bf until i start this cycle .

 

[Megatron28]

Your brain / endocrine system are still developing. Wait until age 25. The cycle and help here will be waiting for your when you are ready. Don't cause irreparable harm to your HPTA by cycling too early.

 

[dam]

0k im a little bit confuse becouse a lot of people says at 23 years is ok,,, 25 is more good but 23 steel ok

 

[Megatron28]

0k im a little bit confuse becouse a lot of people says at 23 years is ok,,, 25 is more good but 23 steel ok

Things I listed are still developing until age 25. Wait or risk seriously messing them up for life.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

i would rec waiting till 25 IMO

Bingo Wait and focus on your diet and training. I grew an inch taller between 24 and 25.

 

[dam]

24 is good ? i buy hcg aromasin pct stuff i spend a little money on them , all drugs have 2 to 4 years term to expire ..
and after 20.5 years old i never grow 1 mm . if i take my test blood and is a little bit down even if is in normal range, that tells me my sistem is developed and my test starrt to decline, i know not all people developing at 25, other ar in 22,23,24 im right??

 

[DucBase]

It's not about still growing. Your HPTA is most likely still developing though and if you fuck that up you will be hanging out in the TRT forum for the rest of your life.

 

[dam]

around 24 is stiil not good enaught?

 

[Megatron28]

around 24 is stiil not good enaught?

See posts #5, #7 and countless others in this thread about waiting until you are 25.

 

[yanks4life]

its all gong to be based on how your body goes. some people can start early and recover just fine. some people start early and they stay on it for life. its a 50/50 shot

 

[Megatron28]

its all gong to be based on how your body goes. some people can start early and recover just fine. some people start early and they stay on it for life. its a 50/50 shot

Come again?

 

[yanks4life]

Come again?

dont get me wrong, I realize that the body isnt fully done growing at that age. All I was saying is that from experience and others, there are people who can start early, cycle, on and off, fully recover, and are not on TRT of any sort. Then there are guys who start early, do everything properly, and then end up pinning for life. not saying anyone is right or wrong

 

[Onk]

dont get me wrong, I realize that the body isnt fully done growing at that age. All I was saying is that from experience and others, there are people who can start early, cycle, on and off, fully recover, and are not on TRT of any sort. Then there are guys who start early, do everything properly, and then end up pinning for life. not saying anyone is right or wrong

Disagree. You sound like you're trying NOT to pass judgement. Really, the people that started early, fucked themselves up and now are on TRT did things incorrectly. Definitely wrong.

 

[yanks4life]

Disagree. You sound like you're trying NOT to pass judgement. Really, the people that started early, fucked themselves up and now are on TRT did things incorrectly. Definitely wrong.

See, I dont completely agree. there are people are did screw themselves up and are on TRT for starting early. But...there are people that did start early and are not on TRT, even at the age of 35+. Its not a guarantee that you are going to recover early but you might, you might not. if youre willing to take the risk early, be prepared for if you arent going to recover. some people luck out

 

[Megatron28]

I am questioning your putting it at 50/50 odds. I agree, just like some people can smoke 2 packs of camels a day and never get lung cancer, some can cycle at a young age and fully recover. But 50/50 odds?

 

[Shine314]

I agree with Megatron 25 is what I've always been told I've heard several horror stories about starting to early just be patient

 

[dam]

ok i read also a lot of people have trouble becouse they start to early , but this are hwo start at early 20 ,(16,14,17,18,19,20,even 21 but rare) i read almost all post on the internet, but i dont find anny post guys hwo start at 22,23 and have a trouble, and i think 24 is a good age, is one year early is not 17 is not 20 . if you have a post with guys hwo start at 22,23 and have problem now show me pls and im not ironic.