2nd cycle, Making sure I'm not forgetting anything

[Forged by Failure]

Cycle History
weeks 1-4 tbol, 50mg daily, split into 2 doses
weeks 1-10 test e, 500 weekly pin 2x
weeks 10-16 supertest, ~500 week, pinned eod
weeks 17-20 dbol, 50 mg a day split in 2 doses
weeks 17-19.5 500iu hcg eod
weeks 20-26 extended clomid, nolva pct
adex throughout, got it about right around week 8, 12.5mg eod
That's roughly it, I don't remember exactly. Went from 180 with ~8%bf to 220 with 16+%bf

Current stats 5'11, 195 with 13%bf, 29 years old

Goal: cut to ~8%, good gainz in strength and slight gainz in LBM
Weeks 1-4 Dbol, 75mg daily-12.5 every 4 hours
Weeks 1-14 Test e, 250 weekly- 125 every 3.5 days
Weeks 3-12 Tren Ace, 350 weekly- 100 eod
Weeks 3-12 T3, 100mcg ed
Weeks 13-15.5 HCG 500 IU eod
Week 16-17 Clomid 75 mg ed, Nolva 40mg ed
Weeks 17-22 extended clomid 50 mg ed, nolva 20 mg ed
Switching to arom from adex so not 100% on dosage, starting at 5ed and work up if needed
prami on hand
training, diet check

I'm aware the majority thinks it to soon for tren

 

[RamboTheDog]

I just think u could start with 50 mg EOD with tren to see the sides and then go up the dosage..

HCG is used during cycle, u should start in the 2nd week of cycle at the most shooting 100UI everday or 250 UI every 3 days.. And stop HCG 2 weeks before u start PCT

Forgot to add: This seems to be ur second cycle, u sure u wanna be messing with T3? Just use Clen and u'll cut down good with no risks

Also if u r running Tren ace, why not run test prop?? I think a good idea is to run test prop 100 mg EOD along with Tren a EOD, and please EOD means EOD and NOT Monday, Wednesday, Friday..

EOD means: Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Monday etc.. many people just go monday, wednesday, friday during the entire cycle.. Its best to run EOD to keep hormone levels stable..

Just a tip to avoid tren cough: Mix it with test and try to put at least half of each or more than half of test in the serynge..

 

[bigkit34]

More isn't always better especially for a 2nd cycle. Alot of things seem like they need adjusting. Please post your complete stats and workout/diet plan so we can answer better

 

[Forged by Failure]

Stats
Age 29 5'11
Trained from 13-18.5, then didn't do shit until I was 26. Since then aside from a couple colds and a few scheduled weeks off, I literally haven't missed a day in the gym and have missed just a few meals. Aside from work, this is what I do, no kids or wife


Brief Training Overview
-I like to start with my primary movement focused on strength so typically 5x5 or 8x3 with long rests 3-5 min. Next couple movements hit whichever body part from different angles, increase the rep range to 6+(I like to periodize the hypertrophy portion of training, typically rep ranges change on a monthly basis) and decrease the rest times to 1-3 mins, and then I end with iso movements with higher reps 10+ and short rests 1min or less.
-Big on instinctive training, If I'm feeling good I'll add volume or increase intensity with some drop sets, rest pauses, or partial reps. If I feel like shit, I stick to the basics and grind it out
-Pump workouts just get blood into muscle


Just changed my split

Sunday- Heavy quads(12-20 working sets, 4 movements), pump hams, pump back

Tues- Heavy anterior and lateral delts(12-20 working sets, 4 movements), Heavy Tri's (9-15 working sets, 3 movements), pump chest, pump back

Thurs- Heavy back(15-25 working sets, 5 movements, trying to make my back dominant, its not a weak point), "Heavy" Post Delts(3-5 sets, 1 movement), Deadlifts(3-8 working sets), Heavy hams (6-10 sets, 2 movements), pump quads

Sat- Heavy Chest(12-20 working sets, 4 movements), Heavy bi's(9-12 working sets, 3 movements), Heavy Traps(6-10 sets, 2 movements), pump delts, pump back

No calves, no forearms


Diet changes weekly, making minor adjustments
Will be roughly 350pro, 120-240 carbs, 75 fat
As clean as I think is possible meals no greater than every 4 hours, preferably 2-3

 

[Forged by Failure]

Bigkit I'm really curious to know what you think needs adjusting, I feel like I have acquired a lot of knowledge browsing these forums for the last year or more and aside from the dbol, not starting at 75mg tren, 10 weeks of tren instead of 8, to soon for tren, and not running HCG throughout at 500iu weekly I think its spot on.

The reason for dbol is I'm extremely impatient, and it makes me hard and vascular not puffy
I'm open minded to lowering the dosage, but I want to stick with one dose for entire cycle
10 weeks bc I have 36ml and it works out to that at 1ml eod
Tren on 2nd cycle, was going to use deca on 2nd but I want to cut and am afraid of getting all puffy
HCG worked well for me the way I used it before, don't fix whats not broken plus I only would have enough for 10 weeks

 

[bigkit34]

No need for dbol or t3 bro for a 2nd cycle use the least amount of compounds possible. Your already dead set on running tren do run tren from wk 1 and let it work its magic. Tren ace can be run for 12 weeks no problem. Hcg needs to be run during cycle.not towards the end.

 

[bigkit34]

Also you have adex listed at 5mg ed. I assume you meant .5 mg ed, but thats still kinda high should be .5 eod.

 

[Forged by Failure]

Last cycle .125mg adex eod was good, for this I'm thinkin 5mg aromasin will be about right for 250mg test

Why no t3, I've got to 8% the last two summers natty but I assumed it would make loosing fat and gaining muscle a hell of a lot easier. I lost some mass the last couple summer cuts once I started getting sub 10%

 

[juced_porkchop]

Cycle History
weeks 1-4 tbol, 50mg daily, split into 2 doses
weeks 1-10 test e, 500 weekly pin 2x
weeks 10-16 supertest, ~500 week, pinned eod
weeks 17-20 dbol, 50 mg a day split in 2 doses
weeks 17-19.5 500iu hcg eod
weeks 20-26 extended clomid, nolva pct
adex throughout, got it about right around week 8, 12.5mg eod
That's roughly it, I don't remember exactly. Went from 180 with ~8%bf to 220 with 16+%bf

Current stats 5'11, 195 with 13%bf, 29 years old

Goal: cut to ~8%, good gainz in strength and slight gainz in LBM
Weeks 1-4 Dbol, 75mg daily-12.5 every 4 hours
Weeks 1-14 Test e, 250 weekly- 125 every 3.5 days
Weeks 3-12 Tren Ace, 350 weekly- 100 eod
Weeks 3-12 T3, 100mcg ed
Weeks 13-15.5 HCG 500 IU eod
Week 16-17 Clomid 75 mg ed, Nolva 40mg ed
Weeks 17-22 extended clomid 50 mg ed, nolva 20 mg ed
Switching to arom from adex so not 100% on dosage, starting at 5ed and work up if needed
prami on hand
training, diet check

I'm aware the majority thinks it to soon for tren

0.5mg eod of dex is usually good. I like 0.25-0.6mg eod-e3d of letro also. I do think tren is a bit soon, but maybe atleast drop the dose a bit since its your first go?

 

[snowpatrol123]

I'm aware the majority thinks it to soon for tren

I don't care if or when you use tren, but just saying if your main goal is cutting you don't need it - that will be largely dictated by your diet/cardio

 

[Forged by Failure]

I figure that with t3 burning through my fat and muscle, the tren would allow protein synthesis to outpace the catabolism making it possible to gain muscle and loose fat

 

[snowpatrol123]

gain muscle and loose fat

Recomping is pretty advanced. Not saying you can't do it, but it's tougher than it sounds.

You would -likely- have more success with a cut, followed by a "lean bulk" (adding mass without turning into a fatty again)

A cut only needs 250-500mg test/wk and a solid diet + cardio routine

Then you get to have fun with setting up a more serious drug protocol, diet and training regime to bring you back to and beyond your starting weight, but leaner.

 

[oldmusclemike]

I figure that with t3 burning through my fat and muscle, the tren would allow protein synthesis to outpace the catabolism making it possible to gain muscle and loose fat

Way off you don't need the t3 and you are just using too many compounds. All this stuff and timing. Crap take your basic compound for your purpose, do Test with it maybe a kicker of Prop. You wanna get lean, hard and drop the BF% then go for it and leave out the Dbol. Tren if used properly (dosed for you) and your training and diet will give you awesome strength gains and keep you lean w/ diet control. More compound don't do more. No T3 with Tren for now.

 

[Forged by Failure]

I don't understand all the anti t3 sentiments, but I didn't ask for opinions to ignore them so I'll drop the t3 and dbol

About starting tren at same time as test e, shouldn't I give test a couple weeks to get levels up since tren a will quickly shut down any natural production... Then run test a couple weeks after to let any excess progesterone clear out before pct

 

[letsgetyolked]

I just think u could start with 50 mg EOD with tren to see the sides and then go up the dosage..

HCG is used during cycle, u should start in the 2nd week of cycle at the most shooting 100UI everday or 250 UI every 3 days.. And stop HCG 2 weeks before u start PCT

Forgot to add: This seems to be ur second cycle, u sure u wanna be messing with T3? Just use Clen and u'll cut down good with no risks

Also if u r running Tren ace, why not run test prop?? I think a good idea is to run test prop 100 mg EOD along with Tren a EOD, and please EOD means EOD and NOT Monday, Wednesday, Friday..

EOD means: Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Monday etc.. many people just go monday, wednesday, friday during the entire cycle.. Its best to run EOD to keep hormone levels stable..

Just a tip to avoid tren cough: Mix it with test and try to put at least half of each or more than half of test in the serynge..

I agree 100% with everything Rambo has said here. Definitely use prop with the ace. The HCG advice was definetely spot on. I always dosed my HCG at 250-350 iu's e/3/d while on cycle starting around week 2 and I've always recovered even while using stronger gear like tren. Also, drop the t3. Don't eff with your thryoid. I wouldn't even use clen with tren. Hell, I wouldn't even use clen alone. I did once and once I started reading more about it and found out it's so harsh on your heart I stopped it and dumped it all out! Read about it!!!! It's not good stuff! Also, you should run an HCG blast the last 10 days of the cycle up to your last pin of test with 500 iu's e/d in addition to using HCG throughout the cycle like I said earlier with the e/3/d dosing.

Also, make sure you stop tren atleast 2 weeks before you end your cycle like you have outlined in your schedule. Make sure it stays that way. You need the tren to clear out before starting PCT. Lastly, you are running tren for way too long. I'd run it a max of 7-8 weeks to ensure a greater chance of recovery.

 

[bigkit34]

You were gonna start dbol from day 1 that shuts you down just like tren. Just because test builds up levels over a few weeks doesn't mean its not working from first injection

 

[RR88]

Man your cycle is a mess. First off use prop @ 500 a week, 125 4 shots. No T3 just use some clen. Use hcg all way through 250 twice a week.also lower the tren quite a bit. Taper up. Can be harsh. Personally I'd finish off with oxandrolone 70mg ED last 6 weeks. Just my thoughts. Guys gave awesome info. Seems u wan to cut or at least stay extra lean.

 

[Forged by Failure]

You were gonna start dbol from day 1 that shuts you down just like tren. Just because test builds up levels over a few weeks doesn't mean its not working from first injection

IC good point

 

[Forged by Failure]

Revised cycle
Weeks 1-10 Test e, 75mg eod/.3ml
weeks 1-8 Tren a, starting at 50mg eod and upping 50% if g2g after 2 weeks, and again to 100mg at week 4 if g2g

I have enough HCG to run from week 1.5-11.5 so I'll do that @250 every 3.5 days

Stane starting at 5mg ed and going from there, Prami on hand

PCT week 12-18 Nolva, Clomid

 

[RR88]

Looks solid. Why E versus prop?