2nd Cycle of TestE, Deca. PCT failed!

[MelonPunchHD]

So i had made a post awhile back before i started this cycle of TestE, and Deca. My cycle was 13 weeks of,

Cycle:
Test E - 600mg/wk
Deca - 400mg/wk
Aromasin - 12.5mg EOD

PCT:
Clomid - 50mg ED
Nolva - 40mg ED
HCG - 6000IU over the course of 2 weeks. (1000,1000,1000,1000,500,500,500,500) EOD

My first cycle of Test e 500mg was a success, i gained about 10lbs lean gains that i kept, and the pct was standard and honestly felt recovered halfway through pct. Libido was never gone. Well this 2nd cycle running test and deca. I noticed i started to lose sex drive towards the end of my cycle and was kind of in a panic. i discontinued deca at week 11 and discontinued testE at week 13. At the time i did not have HCG on me but figured i was going to need it, so 2 weeks later i start a dose of 300mg of clomid, 40mg nolva, and i pin 1000IU of HCG, begun to taper down doses over time from 300mg clomid, to 150,100,50 all throughout PCT. 2 weeks into pct i have no sex drive, no interest in sex, and cant keep a hard on even with viagra. So i got tested 2 weeks into my PCT after HCG was finished and noticed results as followed, i dont have official copy but this is generally what it looked like

FSH/LH - 0.2 for both
Free Test - HIGH
Test - High
Prolactin - 12

and i did not have my estradiol checked. but i was taking 12.5mg aromasin eod. Now 2 weeks later after i finish my 4 week PCT. My libidio still gone, balls increased a little in size, pecker is still dead and cant get up worth crap so now my weiner looks small and overall feel foggy and trashed. So i am now worried, 3 weeks post PCT and still have these issues so now im thinking i should restart clomid/nolva and continue till things come back? What should i do lol. This sucks cause naturally i was amazing looking, after first test e cycle i was even better, and this cycle literally took me to square one and maybe even behind where i was naturally.....i feel like the HCG further suppressed me when taken with clomid and nolva but what do i know.

 

[casanovaaa]

HCG is not be be taken during pct, its supposed to be used during your cycle. Where did you get this cycle man?

 

[MelonPunchHD]

HCG is not be be taken during pct, its supposed to be used during your cycle. Where did you get this cycle man?

I just used the same principle as my first cycle, cut deca 2 weeks earlier then test e. Wait 2 weeks after test e then start clomid/nolva. I know hcg shouldnt be used on pct, i was just worried avout my nut size and libido loss i just included it. But now im 3-4 weeks post pct and my libido is gone, i cannot get it up even if i concentrate. So im guessing i should restart my pct?

 

[PapaNoel]

You need full panel blood work including female panel or it will all be guessing.
You used insane doses of clomid and HCG in PCT which would prevent recovery.

Get complete blood work and you'll get a complete solution

 

[MelonPunchHD]

Sounds good, i took 3 days of clomid and nolva again cause my wife isnt to happy with my broken stick. Im pretty desperate at this point cause not only can i not have sex but i cant even build muscle in the gym rn cause my hormones are so effed. Ill discontinue all, i have blood work this upcoming friday so lets see what it says?

 

[PapaNoel]

Sounds good, i took 3 days of clomid and nolva again cause my wife isnt to happy with my broken stick. Im pretty desperate at this point cause not only can i not have sex but i cant even build muscle in the gym rn cause my hormones are so effed. Ill discontinue all, i have blood work this upcoming friday so lets see what it says?

Dont add more stuff to your already fighting body...
Just buy som viagra/cialis and wait for blood works to come back.

 

[LateStart]

That's it bro ^^^^^^ Get bloodwork and chill on the treatment for a sec. And YES....your clomid use was horrific overkill and I have that much clomid make some bros a ball of emotion, depression, and tears. 25 to 50mg of clomid is plenty for ANY application. Get the bloodwork and take cialis to help until then.

Sorry bro. Hang in there

 

[MelonPunchHD]

That's it bro ^^^^^^ Get bloodwork and chill on the treatment for a sec. And YES....your clomid use was horrific overkill and I have that much clomid make some bros a ball of emotion, depression, and tears. 25 to 50mg of clomid is plenty for ANY application. Get the bloodwork and take cialis to help until then.

Sorry bro. Hang in there

Yes i will, thank you for the advice. I know the clomid might have been too much and probably the high clomid and HCG kept my LH/FSH shut down and test high. Cant wait to have this blood test friday. Really hoping i get the guidance needed from here cause i really need my sex drive back, and not only that but im losing natty gains right now and feel like im at a small decline as time goes by. Consequences from bad PCT i guess lol.

 

[IMT]

Yes i will, thank you for the advice. I know the clomid might have been too much and probably the high clomid and HCG kept my LH/FSH shut down and test high. Cant wait to have this blood test friday. Really hoping i get the guidance needed from here cause i really need my sex drive back, and not only that but im losing natty gains right now and feel like im at a small decline as time goes by. Consequences from bad PCT i guess lol.

So did yo get blood test back yet? what do the numbers look like?

 

[casanovaaa]

Yes i will, thank you for the advice. I know the clomid might have been too much and probably the high clomid and HCG kept my LH/FSH shut down and test high. Cant wait to have this blood test friday. Really hoping i get the guidance needed from here cause i really need my sex drive back, and not only that but im losing natty gains right now and feel like im at a small decline as time goes by. Consequences from bad PCT i guess lol.

How did your bloodworks come out? what are your LH/FSH levels? and what is your total test and free test levels at?

 

[Plate Smacker]

Deca will require a different PCT protocol timeline due to clearance time. Dose depending, but you would drop Deca, and drop Test to TRT dose for an additional 3-4 weeks (time dose depending).
Also as mentioned, HCG should not be taken during PCT for reasons mentioned.

 

[Full Blown]

Deca will require a different PCT protocol timeline due to clearance time. Dose depending, but you would drop Deca, and drop Test to TRT dose for an additional 3-4 weeks (time dose depending).
Also as mentioned, HCG should not be taken during PCT for reasons mentioned.

Solid stuff right here.

 

[scorob777]

Deca will require a different PCT protocol timeline due to clearance time. Dose depending, but you would drop Deca, and drop Test to TRT dose for an additional 3-4 weeks (time dose depending).
Also as mentioned, HCG should not be taken during PCT for reasons mentioned.

amen brother

 

[MelonPunchHD]

So did yo get blood test back yet? what do the numbers look like?

Yes im sorry, i had to reschedule my bloods due to personal issues but i do have them now

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[casanovaaa]

Yes im sorry, i had to reschedule my bloods due to personal issues but i do have them now

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Low FSH, low testosterone, LH is average. what illness did you have and what meds did you take for it?

 

[MelonPunchHD]

Low FSH, low testosterone, LH is average. what illness did you have and what meds did you take for it?

My testosterone baseline has always been like that since i was 20 and have always been pretty jacked naturally. I don't know if that's just optimal for my body but FSH is definitely low which i don't understand why since LH is within normal limits. I have never had some kind of illness that required medication. Maybe sleep apnea but who knows if that really does anything.

 

[Nicky_eye_lids]

My testosterone baseline has always been like that since i was 20 and have always been pretty jacked naturally. I don't know if that's just optimal for my body but FSH is definitely low which i don't understand why since LH is within normal limits. I have never had some kind of illness that required medication. Maybe sleep apnea but who knows if that really does anything.

whens the last time you had your thyroid checked out? your diet and lifestyle been good since you where 20? what happened to you at that age that caused your test levels to go down? try a cycle perhaps?

 

[MelonPunchHD]

whens the last time you had your thyroid checked out? your diet and lifestyle been good since you where 20? what happened to you at that age that caused your test levels to go down? try a cycle perhaps?

I just got off a cycle lol...and no. Im saying 280-400 testosterone has always been my normal range. Im never had problem building muscle or getting big, and my thyroid labs should be there, i think. Should be normal.

 

[LateStart]

So you're 6 weeks out of pct? Is that about right?
Hows your libido now?

 

[scorob777]

MelonPunch, I've been reading this thread for a while but only just now got curious enough to plot out what you did to try to see why your PCT might have failed.

In the charts below I assume 600 Test E and 400 Deca/wk with a shot frequency of 2x/wk. 10 days half life E 14 days D.

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In this plot I used last shot Deca start of week 5, last shot TE start of week 7. I'm making an assumption that when you said you waited two weeks to start PCT that this means 14 days, so all the number I'll throw out are based on that. If what you really meant was start of the week 11.5 days later than last shot then the figures would be slightly higher (i.e. worse in terms of bleeding down).

So, start of week 9 your combined Test + Deca is still 50 on this chart. Contrast that 50 to "normal" Test production of 10mg/d (which is equivalent to 70mg base/wk or 100 mg Test E/wk) which gives a level of about 14. So I usually recommend waiting to start PCT until your blood levels bleed down to this "normal" level of 14-ish. That does two things - it keeps your hormones high enough (i.e. higher than "normal") before you start so your shouldn't lose much mass, and it starts low enough that your body has a chance to start seeing a signal to restart. To hit that 14-ish you should have waited +5 weeks after last shot. That's what happens with long esters like E and Deca, they take forever to clear out.

So starting PCT +2 wks after last Test E your level was 50, at +3 wks 32, +4 wks 20.8, +5 wks would have been 13.5 - still pretty much 100% suppressed, but this would have been where to start.

At +6 wks after last shot you wrapped up PCT. At this point blood levels are 8.8 which compared to "normal" test production is still over 50% suppressed. Since you said your test is naturally pretty low then for you you might have still been 100% suppressed.

Add all that above to Deca's potential in some people to lead to ED, and you just might have a recipe for what happened to you. Best thing I could suggest is to give it time now. The Deca in your body will literally take several more months to clear out, including metabolites. If you wanted you could repeat a course of low dose clomid and nolva to try to kick start things, but according to you the test result you got of 370 is about normal for you. If that's so, the only thing a bit out of whack looks to be low FSH. So more clomid and nolva may not help, but probably won't hurt either.

I think you just need a lot more time, like several months, and you probably want to think about not doing Deca or NPP ever again.