2nd Cycle of TestE, Deca. PCT failed!

tankmanbob said:
MelonPunch, I've been reading this thread for a while but only just now got curious enough to plot out what you did to try to see why your PCT might have failed.

In the charts below I assume 600 Test E and 400 Deca/wk with a shot frequency of 2x/wk. 10 days half life E 14 days D.

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In this plot I used last shot Deca start of week 5, last shot TE start of week 7. I'm making an assumption that when you said you waited two weeks to start PCT that this means 14 days, so all the number I'll throw out are based on that. If what you really meant was start of the week 11.5 days later than last shot then the figures would be slightly higher (i.e. worse in terms of bleeding down).

So, start of week 9 your combined Test + Deca is still 50 on this chart. Contrast that 50 to "normal" Test production of 10mg/d (which is equivalent to 70mg base/wk or 100 mg Test E/wk) which gives a level of about 14. So I usually recommend waiting to start PCT until your blood levels bleed down to this "normal" level of 14-ish. That does two things - it keeps your hormones high enough (i.e. higher than "normal") before you start so your shouldn't lose much mass, and it starts low enough that your body has a chance to start seeing a signal to restart. To hit that 14-ish you should have waited +5 weeks after last shot. That's what happens with long esters like E and Deca, they take forever to clear out.

So starting PCT +2 wks after last Test E your level was 50, at +3 wks 32, +4 wks 20.8, +5 wks would have been 13.5 - still pretty much 100% suppressed, but this would have been where to start.

At +6 wks after last shot you wrapped up PCT. At this point blood levels are 8.8 which compared to "normal" test production is still over 50% suppressed. Since you said your test is naturally pretty low then for you you might have still been 100% suppressed.

Add all that above to Deca's potential in some people to lead to ED, and you just might have a recipe for what happened to you. Best thing I could suggest is to give it time now. The Deca in your body will literally take several more months to clear out, including metabolites. If you wanted you could repeat a course of low dose clomid and nolva to try to kick start things, but according to you the test result you got of 370 is about normal for you. If that's so, the only thing a bit out of whack looks to be low FSH. So more clomid and nolva may not help, but probably won't hurt either.

I think you just need a lot more time, like several months, and you probably want to think about not doing Deca or NPP ever again.
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Your absolutely right, i was told to discontinue deca at week 11, discontinue test e week 13, and then start pct week 15. Like you said i most likely started with my body still on gear and suppressed and by the time i finished 4 week course of pct. i was still shutdown. Lesson learned and i dont think ill be messing around with 19-nor's in the future. I really appreciate your advice and im just gonna take the natural course to recovery, no point in starting another pct right now as i think it would just rly mess with me mentally and probably slow things again. Maybe ill kick up the cialis again now that im feeling bit better.
 
MelonPunchHD said:
Your absolutely right, i was told to discontinue deca at week 11, discontinue test e week 13, and then start pct week 15. Like you said i most likely started with my body still on gear and suppressed and by the time i finished 4 week course of pct. i was still shutdown. Lesson learned and i dont think ill be messing around with 19-nor's in the future. I really appreciate your advice and im just gonna take the natural course to recovery, no point in starting another pct right now as i think it would just rly mess with me mentally and probably slow things again. Maybe ill kick up the cialis again now that im feeling bit better.
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Good to see that your going to discontinue the deca in this matter and get back up to par. please keep us posted on your progress.
 
MelonPunchHD said:
Your absolutely right, i was told to discontinue deca at week 11, discontinue test e week 13, and then start pct week 15. Like you said i most likely started with my body still on gear and suppressed and by the time i finished 4 week course of pct. i was still shutdown. Lesson learned and i dont think ill be messing around with 19-nor's in the future. I really appreciate your advice and im just gonna take the natural course to recovery, no point in starting another pct right now as i think it would just rly mess with me mentally and probably slow things again. Maybe ill kick up the cialis again now that im feeling bit better.
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How did the cialis boost go bro? still feeling good?
 
MelonPunchHD said:
Your absolutely right, i was told to discontinue deca at week 11, discontinue test e week 13, and then start pct week 15. Like you said i most likely started with my body still on gear and suppressed and by the time i finished 4 week course of pct. i was still shutdown. Lesson learned and i dont think ill be messing around with 19-nor's in the future. I really appreciate your advice and im just gonna take the natural course to recovery, no point in starting another pct right now as i think it would just rly mess with me mentally and probably slow things again. Maybe ill kick up the cialis again now that im feeling bit better.
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If i was you i would get labs done asap and see where you are at.
 
MelonPunchHD said:
Sounds good, i took 3 days of clomid and nolva again cause my wife isnt to happy with my broken stick. Im pretty desperate at this point cause not only can i not have sex but i cant even build muscle in the gym rn cause my hormones are so effed. Ill discontinue all, i have blood work this upcoming friday so lets see what it says?
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your stick is out of whack because you didnt do hcg DURING your cycle and did it in your last pct. its also why you cant build muscle and will have a harder time even keeping it i recon.
 
WOW. FML........you are supposed to be typing up a creative post somewhere. Start an interesting thread.
Though I did laugh like hell at your post about being "tired of doing pct after every cycle ".
Hahahahahahahahaha......thanks.....I just laughed again. Please give us more and please be creative
 
So starting PCT +2 wks after last Test E your level was 50, at +3 wks 32, +4 wks 20.8, +5 wks would have been 13.5 - still pretty much 100% suppressed, but this would have been where to start.
 
Nicky_eye_lids said:
Where you at melonpunch? 2 month since your last post and your cycle and pct should be finished.
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Im here brotha, and id like to announce im recovered. My lady is 9 weeks pregnant, so i think that is a sign my balls are g2g! Which is great news cause now i can get back into the game and plan a cycle soon. Tankmanbob was right and i just needed time, though i feel like that last cycle tanked my metabolism a little bit cause i did have a hard time keeping my BF% down without losing bit of muscle, but im back to 205lbs at 12%. Deca never again..really felt it was poison to my body and responded badly. Ill keep it at basic test cycles from here on out and just stick to the guidance here on the forum if i ever throw another compound in.
 
MelonPunchHD said:
Im here brotha, and id like to announce im recovered. My lady is 9 weeks pregnant, so i think that is a sign my balls are g2g! Which is great news cause now i can get back into the game and plan a cycle soon. Tankmanbob was right and i just needed time, though i feel like that last cycle tanked my metabolism a little bit cause i did have a hard time keeping my BF% down without losing bit of muscle, but im back to 205lbs at 12%. Deca never again..really felt it was poison to my body and responded badly. Ill keep it at basic test cycles from here on out and just stick to the guidance here on the forum if i ever throw another compound in.
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sl good to hear back from you and congratulations on your wifes pregnancy.
glad you recovered well.
 
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