2nd cycle suggestions help

[Ica27]

Hi guys,
my boyfriend wanna run his second cycle, but he doesn't know what exactly to take, because he got acne during his first cycle (deca and test e for 12 weeks oct-dec 2014)...he's running accutane right now, and he should restart juice on april...what do you suggest??
He thinks that acne was most probably caused by test-e, not by deca...so he thinks its better for him to stay away, at least for a bit, from test and to take something like Eq and Primo...and to continue to run 20mg of accutane during next cycle, to prevent any form of acne...what do you think???
what a second cycle should be like??

 

[tury694]

Hi guys,
my boyfriend wanna run his second cycle, but he doesn't know what exactly to take, because he got acne during his first cycle (deca and test e for 12 weeks oct-dec 2014)...he's running accutane right now, and he should restart juice on april...what do you suggest??
He thinks that acne was most probably caused by test-e, not by deca...so he thinks its better for him to stay away, at least for a bit, from test and to take something like Eq and Primo...and to continue to run 20mg of accutane during next cycle, to prevent any form of acne...what do you think???
what a second cycle should be like??

Unless your boyfriend was born a girl I suggest that he run test along with whatever other compound he chooses. Men need testosterone to function properly! Why do you think only test causes acne? All AAS can cause acne, especially more androgenic compounds like tren and dbol. Tell him to keep running the accutane for 6 straight months and it can cure his acne permanently.

Also what is his:
age
weight
height
BF%
training history

It says a lot that you are here asking questions for him and he has not researched all of this himself. Does he or you know what and A.I is? PCT? HCG? Did he have caber or prami on hand? Why was his first cycle not test only? I see a lot of issues going on here and I am not sure he should be running anything unless HE knows this stuff.

 

[Ica27]

Unless your boyfriend was born a girl I suggest that he run test along with whatever other compound he chooses. Men need testosterone to function properly! Why do you think only test causes acne? All AAS can cause acne, especially more androgenic compounds like tren and dbol. Tell him to keep running the accutane for 6 straight months and it can cure his acne permanently.

Also what is his:
age
weight
height
BF%
training history

It says a lot that you are here asking questions for him and he has not researched all of this himself. Does he or you know what and A.I is? PCT? HCG? Did he have caber or prami on hand? Why was his first cycle not test only? I see a lot of issues going on here and I am not sure he should be running anything unless HE knows this stuff.

thx man...he did his 6 weeks of pct (clomid/nolva 100/100/50/50/25/25 40/40/20/20) and adex during and between the end of the cycle and the pct he did hcg...
age:26; weight: 82kg; bf: 14%; training age: 4 yrs
he thinks test-e caused acne, instead deca, because test converted itself into DHT more than deca, that's it!
now he's off gear since december and he's in his 5th week of 20mg accutane...none still special result...acne is better than before, but still there!!
He thinks that if he restarts with test like his first cycle, acne will worsen...he cants stand with acne...lot of people take juice and remain acne free...he cant swallow this thing!

 

[tury694]

thx man...he did his 6 weeks of pct (clomid/nolva 100/100/50/50/25/25 40/40/20/20) and adex during and between the end of the cycle and the pct he did hcg...
age:26; weight: 82kg; bf: 14%; training age: 4 yrs
he thinks test-e caused acne, instead deca, because test converted itself into DHT more than deca, that's it!
now he's off gear since december and he's in his 5th week of 20mg accutane...none still special result...acne is better than before, but still there!!
He thinks that if he restarts with test like his first cycle, acne will worsen...he cants stand with acne...lot of people take juice and remain acne free...he cant swallow this thing!

I had horrible acne as a teen and accutane killed it completely. Make sure that his AI and accutane are not bunk. If accutane is doing nothing then it must be bunk. That shit will dry out your skin faster than you can imagine. He should run hcg throughout the cycle not during pct. Regardless of what he wants he will have to run test along with any other compound, or he will feel so shitty that he won't even be able to function. BTW accutane takes about 4 months to give good results, be patient.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

The main cause of acne is an increase in testosterone levels - so no matter what compound he chooses to run he's going to be at risk of acne.
So what he "thinks" caused the acne is wrong, he always needs to use test on cycle even at a low trt level dose otherwise his recovery is going to be in serious jeopardy.

The only sure fire away to reduce the risk of acne is to simply use a lower overall dosage on his second cycle.
He also needs to get pre/mid/post cycle bloodwork to see if any other hormonal flunctations are correlated to the acne & then take appropriate action.

I STRONGLY recommend he holds off on his second cycle until the Accutane is done getting his acne under control, otherwise he's asking for more problems.
At 20mg the dose is pretty low, he can increase it but only if he has regular bloodwork on his liver to keep an eye on any toxicity issues.
3-6 Months is the absolute minimum that he should be on tane before thinking about another cycle.

 

[tury694]

The main cause of acne is an increase in testosterone levels - so no matter what compound he chooses to run he's going to be at risk of acne.
So what he "thinks" caused the acne is wrong, he always needs to use test on cycle even at a low trt level dose otherwise his recovery is going to be in serious jeopardy.

The only sure fire away to reduce the risk of acne is to simply use a lower overall dosage on his second cycle.
He also needs to get pre/mid/post cycle bloodwork to see if any other hormonal flunctations are correlated to the acne & then take appropriate action.

I STRONGLY recommend he holds off on his second cycle until the Accutane is done getting his acne under control, otherwise he's asking for more problems.
At 20mg the dose is pretty low, he can increase it but only if he has regular bloodwork on his liver to keep an eye on any toxicity issues.
3-6 Months is the absolute minimum that he should be on tane before thinking about another cycle.

At 20 mgs 4 months up it to 30 mgs last 2 months. This is what I took about 10 years ago, and I have never had a pimple again, and I had severe cystic and nodular acne. 20mg is not that low of a dose IMO. Accutane is a very harsh drug and can cause serious lipid issues. I don't know why so many people want to run cycles without test. A disturbing new trend in the world of AAS.

 

[Ica27]

The main cause of acne is an increase in testosterone levels - so no matter what compound he chooses to run he's going to be at risk of acne.
So what he "thinks" caused the acne is wrong, he always needs to use test on cycle even at a low trt level dose otherwise his recovery is going to be in serious jeopardy.

The only sure fire away to reduce the risk of acne is to simply use a lower overall dosage on his second cycle.
He also needs to get pre/mid/post cycle bloodwork to see if any other hormonal flunctations are correlated to the acne & then take appropriate action.

I STRONGLY recommend he holds off on his second cycle until the Accutane is done getting his acne under control, otherwise he's asking for more problems.
At 20mg the dose is pretty low, he can increase it but only if he has regular bloodwork on his liver to keep an eye on any toxicity issues.
3-6 Months is the absolute minimum that he should be on tane before thinking about another cycle.

he didnt do hcg during pct, but before!
His getting blood work every 30 days, and till now his liver enzymes are ok...during his first cycle he had very high estro levels, but MD told him that acne is caused by androgen not estrogen...
so, in your opinion, he shouldn't run any cycle before having healed acne???
6 months are very long! he hopes he can heal during his second month (march) of accutane...and he wants to try with some tan shower...
The drug he is using is not bunk...he bought it in a pharma!

 

[Ica27]

At 20 mgs 4 months up it to 30 mgs last 2 months. This is what I took about 10 years ago, and I have never had a pimple again, and I had severe cystic and nodular acne. 20mg is not that low of a dose IMO. Accutane is a very harsh drug and can cause serious lipid issues. I don't know why so many people want to run cycles without test. A disturbing new trend in the world of AAS.

man, he knows test is essential for muscle gain and for every aas cycle, but he's just trying to test something different, due to his acne issue...if he hadn't that problem, he would run test as hell on every cycle!

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

At 20 mgs 4 months up it to 30 mgs last 2 months. This is what I took about 10 years ago, and I have never had a pimple again, and I had severe cystic and nodular acne. 20mg is not that low of a dose IMO. Accutane is a very harsh drug and can cause serious lipid issues. I don't know why so many people want to run cycles without test. A disturbing new trend in the world of AAS.

The average dose for Accutane is around 0.5-1.5mg/kg of bodyweight per day so 20mg is a very, very low dose for the average male unless you plan on running it for a long time (8 months+).
Low doses can be effective, as your example shows, but the chances of relapse are also much higher. Most doctors who prescribe it would never do low doses + long duration of use, they would rather go with a moderate dose and a moderate duration of time (6 months).

His getting blood work every 30 days, and till now his liver enzymes are ok...during his first cycle he had very high estro levels, but MD told him that acne is caused by androgen not estrogen...
so, in your opinion, he shouldn't run any cycle before having healed acne???
6 months are very long! he hopes he can heal during his second month (march) of accutane...and he wants to try with some tan shower...
The drug he is using is not bunk...he bought it in a pharma!

The high estro levels suggest that he needs to up his AI dose the next time he runs a cycle - the MD is right about the cause but higher estro levels can make the situation worse.

And yes, IMO it would be stupid to start another cycle when he's still recovering from a side effect of his previous cycle. Very, very stupid.
If he's being monitored by an MD then he needs to stay on the tane for as long as the doc says so & not think about any cycle.

Honestly, I don't see what the rush is to start another cycle unless he's competing. Clear the acne first.

 

[tury694]

The average dose for Accutane is around 0.5-1.5mg/kg of bodyweight per day so 20mg is a very, very low dose for the average male unless you plan on running it for a long time (8 months+).
Low doses can be effective, as your example shows, but the chances of relapse are also much higher. Most doctors who prescribe it would never do low doses + long duration of use, they would rather go with a moderate dose and a moderate duration of time (6 months).

Nevermind I checked again I was taking 20mg twice a day with food for four months, and then 20 mg 3 times a day. So yeah his dosages are very low indeed. I also only weighed about 150 at that time.