2nd cycle: Test/tren

[neeb]

Hey, new here and wanted some advice on my second cycle. First was eight weeks of test p dosed at 150mg EOD. Liked it a lot and saw pretty good gains off of it. Only complaint was prop pain but meh, it is what it is. A friend said he had used the lab before and it had more pip than others but I got it at a good price, probably won't get their tren though.

Age: 24
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 202
BF: ~11-12%

Tren A - 60mg/ED (Weeks 1-8)
Test P - 30mg/ED (Weeks 1-12)
Prami - .25mg ED (not too sure on as I've never ran tren)
Adex - 0.25mg EOD

PCT 3 starting days after last pin
Clomid - 100/50/50/50
Nolva - 40/20/20/20


Thanks for any input!

 

[halfwit]

I'd try to get in a few more cycles before you go dancing with Lady Tren imo. You also would want to space your PCT out further than that to allow the exogenous test to leave your body, or you will see lackluster results during your restart.

My .02c.

 

[neeb]

Thanks! What would you suggest running for a 2nd cycle then? I don't really want to run just test again.

Also, for PCT, isn't it standard to wait three days after last pin for prop, 2 for Sustanon (sust) and enanthate?

 

[halfwit]

I usually recommend trying deca (or npp if you like faster esters and more frequent injects) as it's a great introduction to 19-nors and gives you experience with managing prolactin. Alternatively, you could run test with an oral if your liver values look good. Dbol/Tbol/Anadrol (careful with this one)/Anavar are all great orals that can be tacked onto a simple test cycle.

Standard PCT protocol is 2 weeks after last pin before you start. I think this is still too soon as it can take up to 4 weeks for the levels to drop, but many have good experiences with 2 weeks.

 

[Beck-Miester]

Thanks! What would you suggest running for a 2nd cycle then? I don't really want to run just test again.

Also, for PCT, isn't it standard to wait three days after last pin for prop, 2 for Sustanon (sust) and enanthate?

Long esters like Test E ( and sustanon will fall into that as well ) and Deca especially, need a long time after your last pin before starting PCT. I agree that a test/Deca cycle should be a fine 2nd cycle for you: that was my own 2nd cycle, and I made great gains with it. Make sure you have all your PCT gear, Aromatase inhibitor (AI), and anti prolactin BEFORE starting your cycle.....and calculate all of your dosages to give you a little bit of a fudge factor....

 

[prisonsex]

I would not run Tren for my second cycle. As stated above I would go with NPP as an intro to the 19 nor Famaly.

With that said, it looks like you do your homework.
I would reconsider the prami. Look at Caber. The reality is prami can really jack up some guys.

 

[neeb]

Thanks for all the advice, would never consider starting a cycle without post cycle therapy (pct) ready. Not having it and then needing to end your cycle early or your source not having it when you need is an unnecessary risk.

Comparing deca to npp, I like the sound of deca more. I'm sure the water retention is controllable if it bothers me. I've read a lot of different opinions on dosing though, everyone seems to agree that test should be run at least 100mg over deca, but some say twice as much. I was thinking along the lines of:

deca 300 mg/wk (12 weeks)
test 500 mg/wk (14 weeks)

or to maybe add two additional weeks to each. I'm also not able to find too much on caber vs prami; always sounds like people just touting their favorites.

 

[halfwit]

Thanks for all the advice, would never consider starting a cycle without post cycle therapy (pct) ready. Not having it and then needing to end your cycle early or your source not having it when you need is an unnecessary risk.

Comparing deca to npp, I like the sound of deca more. I'm sure the water retention is controllable if it bothers me. I've read a lot of different opinions on dosing though, everyone seems to agree that test should be run at least 100mg over deca, but some say twice as much. I was thinking along the lines of:

deca 300 mg/wk (12 weeks)
test 500 mg/wk (14 weeks)

or to maybe add two additional weeks to each. I'm also not able to find too much on caber vs prami; always sounds like people just touting their favorites.

Looks like a sound cycle to me. Caber just tends to be harder to find as it isn't stable in liquid form and research chem places tend to avoid pill form as it can get them in trouble with the feds. Prami just tends to upset the stomach in some folks, I've been using it without any problems - but I do know a few guys that just can't tolerate it.

 

[old&stacked]

You also have the choice of EQ. A lot less sides than deca and you dont run the chance of deca dick wich some people tend to be more sensative to 19-nor and while it takes a bit longer than deca to see gains they tend to be gains you keep more of. But with that said Halfwit will steer u in the right direction every time.

Just my .02

 

[neeb]

Ended up going with the deca and will probably start in a few weeks. I still have a bit of prop left and was wondering if it'd be worth it to kick start the the cycle for the first two weeks with it and if so, should it be at the same (500mg) amount as the test e?

 

[halfwit]

Ended up going with the deca and will probably start in a few weeks. I still have a bit of prop left and was wondering if it'd be worth it to kick start the the cycle for the first two weeks with it and if so, should it be at the same (500mg) amount as the test e?

That's up to you, but remember - you'll likely see a spike of testosterone, creating a spike of estrogen. Keep an eye on those E2 sides and bump up your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) accordingly.

 

[neeb]

Just wanted to thank everyone for their help. Still earlish in the cycle but am loving it so far except for on hot days. I swear I've never sweat so much so I'm assuming it's the deca/water retension. Not a huge deal, just need to remember to take an extra shirt to work if I walk in.