300mg/week First Test E Cycle

[justin h]

You need to learn the ins and outs of powerlifting....strength training...bodybuilding...and most importantl your diet. I stayed natual until I was 27 (31now)...broke all sorts of platues....because at the time I thought I had it figured out...Then I read countless powerlifting/strength training books and mags... Packed on alot of mass and got stong as fuck...Then I took the bodybuilding/diet approach and acheived a competative physique, and started competing for several years, winning a handfull of michigan natural titles..again natural and always breaking down platues.
Once I did hit that platue (which everyone eventually will) I started using gear.
You have alot to learn KID!! Your gonna be on the path to addiction and damage to you still growing 19yr old ass.

 

[Conrad0032]

You need to learn the ins and outs of powerlifting....strength training...bodybuilding...and most importantl your diet. I stayed natual until I was 27 (31now)...broke all sorts of platues....because at the time I thought I had it figured out...Then I read countless powerlifting/strength training books and mags... Packed on alot of mass and got stong as fuck...Then I took the bodybuilding/diet approach and acheived a competative physique, and started competing for several years, winning a handfull of michigan natural titles..again natural and always breaking down platues.
Once I did hit that platue (which everyone eventually will) I started using gear.
You have alot to learn KID!! Your gonna be on the path to addiction and damage to you still growing 19yr old ass.

I've broken through many plateaus, just this one seems to be a lot more stubborn than others. Also, what were you lifts/stats when you were about to jump on the gear, and when did you start lifting? Just wondering for reference. I know I have a lot to learn, as does everyone else. No one is 100% proficient in powerlifting or any sport/area of expertise for that matter. Some more than others, but still. That's why I'm on forums and talk to elite class powerlifters at my gym for advice on how to structure my training. I like to think I'm at the point where I listen to my body more than read articles on t-nation and follow them blindly because 75% of the people writing those articles, or on other websites in general, are weaker than me.

I wouldn't worry about my diet... I'd say it's 95% perfect (cheat meal every 2-3 weeks) and I drank 2x in the past year (both times it was ~4 shots/beers), if I could send you my fitness pal if I could to see the last 2 years of eating or so. What powerlifting program would you recommend in my situation? I've done westside, madcow's 5x5, Wendler's 5/3/1, texas method, shieko, the cube method, my own structured routines, Dan Green's typical routine, Layne Norton's PHAT, smolov, and definitely missing a few. Now I made another self-structures routine based on prelipin's table and frequent training, see where that takes me. Thanks for the response.

 

[Rosco FleX]

Damn son, I questioned your lifts, the bench in particular....then I saw the vids. Nice work

I really think the best thing for you (what I wish I would have done) is to keep at it naturally for a few more years until you're confident you've peaked. Like someone above me said, your endocrine is still developing. Have you tried switching up your routine by playing with weight and rep ranges, or incorporating new exercises into it to spark new growth? Or maybe take a 1-2 week break (your surgery). I always incorporate a 1-2 week break into my routines every 5-6 months (depending on how training is going), and I come back feeling like I shot 10cc's of Hulk Juice into my ass...feeling strong. Also, I personally find one of the most important issues when training naturally is to be 100% on time with your meal plan. Missing meals and going 5-6 hours without eating just can't be done naturally, you've got to hit everything perfect and on time to prevent catabolism. You can't get away with much if you're not taking anabolics.

As someone mentioned above, take into consideration the dose you've decided on. Typical dose is 500mg/week, and I myself cruise on 200mg/week to maintain...BUT I'm not 19 years old either. If you do decide to go ahead with this cycle, even though I think you should hold off a few years, then at least wait until your'e healed from surgery. Give 300mg/week a shot (no punn intended), but increase your cycle length to 10-12 weeks. Also, there's no need to continue Arimidex throughout PCT. This is what your cycle should look like......

Weeks 1-10: Test E @300mg/week
Weeks 1-10: Arimidex @.5mg/E3D (adjust as needed) **Bloodwork will be the best determining factor on adjustments**
START PCT 14 DAYS AFTER LAST TEST E INJECTION
PCT Week 1&2: Toremifene @90mg/Everyday **Some people do 120mg for a few days, but that shouldn't be necessary in your case**
PCT Week 3: Toremifene @60mg/everyday
PCT Week 4: Toremifene @30mg/everyday

 

[halfwit]

I'd recommend you wait a few more years. Also, you do realize that you're asking for AAS information on an AAS site and using your real name on that youtube account?

You're strong, but you still have some growing to do naturally.

My .02c

 

[Conrad0032]

Damn son, I questioned your lifts, the bench in particular....then I saw the vids. Nice work

I really think the best thing for you (what I wish I would have done) is to keep at it naturally for a few more years until you're confident you've peaked. Like someone above me said, your endocrine is still developing. Have you tried switching up your routine by playing with weight and rep ranges, or incorporating new exercises into it to spark new growth? Or maybe take a 1-2 week break (your surgery). I always incorporate a 1-2 week break into my routines every 5-6 months (depending on how training is going), and I come back feeling like I shot 10cc's of Hulk Juice into my ass...feeling strong. Also, I personally find one of the most important issues when training naturally is to be 100% on time with your meal plan. Missing meals and going 5-6 hours without eating just can't be done naturally, you've got to hit everything perfect and on time to prevent catabolism. You can't get away with much if you're not taking anabolics.

As someone mentioned above, take into consideration the dose you've decided on. Typical dose is 500mg/week, and I myself cruise on 200mg/week to maintain...BUT I'm not 19 years old either. If you do decide to go ahead with this cycle, even though I think you should hold off a few years, then at least wait until your'e healed from surgery. Give 300mg/week a shot (no punn intended), but increase your cycle length to 10-12 weeks. Also, there's no need to continue Arimidex throughout PCT. This is what your cycle should look like......

Weeks 1-10: Test E @300mg/week
Weeks 1-10: Arimidex @.5mg/E3D (adjust as needed) **Bloodwork will be the best determining factor on adjustments**
START PCT 14 DAYS AFTER LAST TEST E INJECTION
PCT Week 1&2: Toremifene @90mg/Everyday **Some people do 120mg for a few days, but that shouldn't be necessary in your case**
PCT Week 3: Toremifene @60mg/everyday
PCT Week 4: Toremifene @30mg/everyday

I've tried every rep range up to 40 reps haha, tried doing a conjugate method where I don't train the lift directly too often, and have used most legit exercises you can name in varying rep ranges. I'm going to have a break in a week, I'm pretty banged up and it's been like 14 months I think since a week break... not sure, but it's been a while. Thanks for the long response.

I'd recommend you wait a few more years. Also, you do realize that you're asking for AAS information on an AAS site and using your real name on that youtube account?

You're strong, but you still have some growing to do naturally.

My .02c

Good thing I don't possess anything illegal I hope the police have better things to do than arrest a guy thinking about using 1 vial of test... But o well, what can I do now. Any recommendations of a program or anything to boost my training. I'm taking a week off in a week so maybe that'll shock my body a little when I'm back. Forced vacation, but my joints are hurting and it's been a long time since a break so it'll be good for me... I hope

 

[SamSport]

take a week break, it will help for sure (CNS will thank you). These numbers for a natural guy is amazing, you are extremely strong. About AAS, you're young I gotta agree with everyone... If I was in youe situation at the same age, I BELIEVE I would wait... try more approach to break these plateaus (can't suggest any, I don't powerlift :/) .. If in a year you find that you're at the same level you were, then you have to make a decision

 

[halfwit]

Good thing I don't possess anything illegal I hope the police have better things to do than arrest a guy thinking about using 1 vial of test... But o well, what can I do now. Any recommendations of a program or anything to boost my training. I'm taking a week off in a week so maybe that'll shock my body a little when I'm back. Forced vacation, but my joints are hurting and it's been a long time since a break so it'll be good for me... I hope

Just pointing out the obvious as not many realize that they're giving up identifying information over the internet that can be used against them. We all like to hope that LE has better things to do, but one never knows.

I'll leave the training advice to the guys like 308power that are still in the powerlifting game. My joints ache just thinking about doing that stuff again, so I'm afraid that the best I can do is agree with taking a little time off and refining that diet.

Best of luck to you whichever path you choose.

 

[Conrad0032]

Cool thanks guys. I guess I'll see how I progress in the next 6 months leading up to my surgery and take it from there once more. If anyone has a recommended program for me, let me know. Thanks for all the advice everyone and if anyone else has some more feel free to speak up

 

[justin h]

Theirs too many programs out their to just recommend one. Once you have years experience with many different programs you take the best of each with common principals and compose your own.
I did my first bodybuilding competition at 15..then 17&19...switched over to powerlifting.
At 20-23 I did local strong mans just because...but my passion was bodybuiding.
Years of experience give the best gains.
Maybe I missed it but what are your long/short term goals?

 

[justin h]

You could've walked into any college and took a lineman position with ease.

 

[Ocean Rhino]

Find a powerlifting gym in your area. Get with other meat eaters and your training and goals will be part of the pack's goals. Looks like you have had a tremendous amount of success on your own, but get with some of the older pitbulls and learn from them. Stay the course natural until 22-24 man, you have so much natural test going for you, young joints that need to keep growing slowly to support the increased loads that you are going to reach when you start AAS. Just know that you are going to be a beast when you do finally supplement, because of the base you have already built. I'd worry about outpulling tendons if you hit the juice this early.

Plenty have done it and plenty have waited, it's your decision at the end of the day bro.

Good luck either way.

 

[Norsegod]

Bro,I put on a lot of strength with the power matrix( Russian matrix). A lot and fast. Weighted dips/ pull ups/ other bodyweight exercises seem to compliment the programs quite well. I'm glad to hear a young guy that really knows what he's doing. we get a lot of ignorance in here. stubborn ignorance. You should do very well in whatever training path you take, but I still have to say you're too young. If you do go with it then do 500a week unless you go with prop. If you choose prop then do 125 eod. it comes to 437.5a week. Good luck, brother. keep us posted

 

[Conrad0032]

Theirs too many programs out their to just recommend one. Once you have years experience with many different programs you take the best of each with common principals and compose your own.
I did my first bodybuilding competition at 15..then 17&19...switched over to powerlifting.
At 20-23 I did local strong mans just because...but my passion was bodybuiding.
Years of experience give the best gains.
Maybe I missed it but what are your long/short term goals?

My short term goals are really to continue to progress with as few injuries as possible. I have certain numbers in mind as well, but for now I feel as long as i progress with no injuries, even if it's 5lbs every 2 months on each lift I'd be ecstatic. Long term, I'd love to become an elite class powerlifter and eventually move into strongman once I have built a good foundation of strength/power. I've done some of the strongman events at my gym and they are real enjoyable to me, but hard as hell too X.x

Haha idk about the football remark, football is a different ball park with agility and such. Also, I don't like team sports because people fuck around too much and don't really do all they can. At pro levels maybe, but def not high school or college from what I've seen from my friends. It's annoying relying upon others to let yourself succeed in what you love doing.

As for training, that's basically what I have been doing for a while now. Just take what I enjoy/find most productive and run that with minor tweaks here and there. But you can only try so much in 4 years of serious lifting so still experimenting for sure. This next program I'm doing will either get more some progress or run me into the ground haha, high risk high reward :$

Find a powerlifting gym in your area. Get with other meat eaters and your training and goals will be part of the pack's goals. Looks like you have had a tremendous amount of success on your own, but get with some of the older pitbulls and learn from them. Stay the course natural until 22-24 man, you have so much natural test going for you, young joints that need to keep growing slowly to support the increased loads that you are going to reach when you start AAS. Just know that you are going to be a beast when you do finally supplement, because of the base you have already built. I'd worry about outpulling tendons if you hit the juice this early.

Plenty have done it and plenty have waited, it's your decision at the end of the day bro.

Good luck either way.

I actually did change my gym now that I'm on winter break. I use to go to Lifetime fitness >.> not much external motivation there and quit and moved to B&W gym in Chicago if any of you know that. Going from a 5 minute drive to a 25 minute one sure isn't the best, but hey... if I want to succeed that's barely a task. It's some run down basement gym, but literally has every piece of equipment you can ever ask for in my eyes. All kinds of bars, bands, platforms, strongmen equipment, some machines, monolift (never liked it much), etc. Has many big guys that are much more motivating. I only have a few more days of training left before I'm back to school :/ but I'll def be going back during the summer. Also I want to get my test checked and see where I stand, hopefully I'm on the low side

Bro,I put on a lot of strength with the power matrix( Russian matrix). A lot and fast. Weighted dips/ pull ups/ other bodyweight exercises seem to compliment the programs quite well. I'm glad to hear a young guy that really knows what he's doing. we get a lot of ignorance in here. stubborn ignorance. You should do very well in whatever training path you take, but I still have to say you're too young. If you do go with it then do 500a week unless you go with prop. If you choose prop then do 125 eod. it comes to 437.5a week. Good luck, brother. keep us posted

I'll look into the power matrix. I love eastern european training because it's not half assed... also I am Polish xD so it's in my blood. I will definitely keep everyone posted. Like I said I will train these next 6 months will all I got and try to keep it as close to perfect as possible, but if I still fail to progress at all after this, I honestly think I will start in July or so. Or at least come back, make another thread, be shunned for my age, and once again try training naturally haha

 

[snowpatrol123]

Or at least come back, make another thread, be shunned for my age, and once again try training naturally haha

I know you were being facetious, but just to be clear the advice you're getting is for your sake (also old people like giving advice) No one can tell you what to do, we're just trying to help inform/guide you so you can make the best decisions for yourself.

 

[Conrad0032]

I know you were being facetious, but just to be clear the advice you're getting is for your sake (also old people like giving advice) No one can tell you what to do, we're just trying to help inform/guide you so you can make the best decisions for yourself.

Of course, I didn't mean it in a bad way haha. I meant it in a way that I need a reminder sometimes that I'm still young. Sometimes when I get in a thought process without sharing it with anyone I forget I'm not invincible cause I'm so young and forget there are risks associated with this lifestyle. Just meant I need a reality check here and there ha.

 

[308power]

Yay for a halfwit shoutout.

OP, you seem well read and aware of the risks. You have my blessing for AAS usage, as you are actually who you say you are, unlike the majority...

I will say that I started as a teen and have to blast and cruise for life. I also have a pretty bad heart condition and will most likely be dead by 30 though. Not that long to worry about.... Still, something to consider.

 

[308power]

As far as programs go, programs arent what you want. You want to learn methodologies. People like to over complicate everything. 3 sets of 5 works for me on the deadlift, 10x5 works for me with squats, and 5x2 with high volume accessories works well for me with bench press.

It's really as simple as perfecting form, and adding weight to the bar over time, while not getting injured. I have fucked up meet preps by trying to take too many drugs and going hepatoxic, have been fucked over at meets (as in tear a quad squatting 830 and have someone steal things out of my gym bag while i was in the hospital), basically everything that can happen.

Keep drugs simple. Test for now. Next, maybe test and deca. I personally am on a half cruiseish type thing on 1g test and 600 deca.

Once you find what works training wise, when you stall, sleep more, eat more, then up drugs. Simple.

 

[Conrad0032]

Yay for a halfwit shoutout.

OP, you seem well read and aware of the risks. You have my blessing for AAS usage, as you are actually who you say you are, unlike the majority...

I will say that I started as a teen and have to blast and cruise for life. I also have a pretty bad heart condition and will most likely be dead by 30 though. Not that long to worry about.... Still, something to consider.

Something I never thought I'd see on this board, a green light for usage haha. Risks associated with this are definitely on my mind every time I think about usage, but nothing in this world is without its risks, especially not the more enjoyable experiences.

As far as programs go, programs arent what you want. You want to learn methodologies. People like to over complicate everything. 3 sets of 5 works for me on the deadlift, 10x5 works for me with squats, and 5x2 with high volume accessories works well for me with bench press.

It's really as simple as perfecting form, and adding weight to the bar over time, while not getting injured. I have fucked up meet preps by trying to take too many drugs and going hepatoxic, have been fucked over at meets (as in tear a quad squatting 830 and have someone steal things out of my gym bag while i was in the hospital), basically everything that can happen.

Keep drugs simple. Test for now. Next, maybe test and deca. I personally am on a half cruiseish type thing on 1g test and 600 deca.

Once you find what works training wise, when you stall, sleep more, eat more, then up drugs. Simple.

Gram of test and 600mg deca on a cruise Wow! Methodology is usually what I do take from trying different routines, my previous training was pretty straight forward; I just had a max effort day for OHP, bench, Squat, DL, and an OLY day for explosive power, but this has stalled. Like I said I've never trained based off of percentages, except smolov, so I will see where doing each lift 3x a week will get me. What I'm looking to do is:

Day 1: Off

Day 2:
Medium Front Squat (70-80%)
Heavy Bench (80%+)
Medium Trap Bar DL (70-80%)
Barbell Rows (5x10)
Some Arm training

Day 3: Off

Day 4:
Heavy Squat (90%+)
Medium Bench (70-80%)
Light DL (speed, 55-65%)
Face Pulls+Shrugs (shoulder health, 5x10-20)
Heavy Ab Work

Day 5: Off

Day 6:
Medium OHP (70-80%)
Power Clean+Push Press+Jerk (med-heavy 80%+)
EDIT FORGOT: Light Bench (speed, 55-65%)
Side Raises (50-100 reps)
Heavy Arm Work

Day 7:
Med-heavy DL (80%+)
Light Squat (speed, 55-65%)
Glute Ham Raise (50 reps)
Pull Ups (5xmax)
Lighter Ab Work

I want to never fail a lift in this routine, but still push myself, so I can build confidence and technique with my power lifts. Kind of using Brandon Lilly's methodology. Might be a bit much, but hey, I'll just eat more and hope for the best xD I think I'll manage, esp with limited accessory work.

thanks again for the reply 308power

edit: I'm still going to wait for now and see how I progress.

 

[308power]

In all honesty, that looks really good. I like the cube. I have seen it work well for a good amount of people. I would change your trap bar deadlift for conventional. What you are doing is not the cube though. If that is what you have been running naturally, that is a stupendous amount of volume. Your numbers are going to sky rocket with that with the ability to actually recover now.

 

[Conrad0032]

In all honesty, that looks really good. I like the cube. I have seen it work well for a good amount of people. I would change your trap bar deadlift for conventional. What you are doing is not the cube though. If that is what you have been running naturally, that is a stupendous amount of volume. Your numbers are going to sky rocket with that with the ability to actually recover now.

Oh yeah, t's nothing like the cube. What I meant was I take Lilly's idea of rarely ever failing a lift to build confidence on the platform, which is what I am aiming to do, and working in different percentages rather than always doing max effort how I use to. Then the frequency of the lifts is there is to try and beat the technique into me. I take a while to recover from conventional deadlifts (more so mentally than physically) so I figured I'd put something that takes some tension off the back. I usually trained everything 2x a week with much higher intensity and far more accessory than this. This amount of frequency (3x a week each lift basically) is completely new to me, not so much the volume though. Thanks though, glad someone proficient in this sport like yourself thinks it looks good.