3rd cycle coming up (Need recommendations again)

[Jhathinue]

Hello Community,

Hope all is well. It has been 24 weeks from my 2nd cycle and will be starting my 3rd in a couple weeks.
My last cycle went great with everyone's advice on this forum, so I wanted to Thank everyone again for their support for all us who need it.
It's a great family here and sound advice when needed.


Stats are:
Age 38
5'9 at 192 lbs
BF around 14%
Training for around 11 years off and on

Cycle 3 - Pin around March 7th

1-14 Test. Enanthate (250mg every 3.5 days)

1-14 HCG (250iu every 3.5 days)

1-8 Recommendation and dosage here (EQ, Deca, Mas)

1-16 Liquidex (EOD) Different AI ? Recommendation and dosage


8-14 Anavar (60mg ED) Last 2 weeks (80mgED) Different ? Recommendation and dosage


PCT: 16-19
Clomid: 100/50/50/50/50
Nolvadex: 40/40/20/20/20

Liver support
N-Acetyl cysteine (1800 ED) *Double when Var starts
Liv.52


Blood work will be taken like usual.

Goals: I would like to add some additional “strength and size” to my first 8weeks on this cycle, so I was reading about adding EQ, Deca, to my Test E ?

No competition, just normal office guy.



Questions:

Would you all have any recommendation on what to add with my Test E for added benefits ?

Should I intake higher dosage with Anavar ?

Should I replace my AI Liquidex with another AI ? Recommendation ?

Is it safe to pre-prep my Test E, HCG mixture 2 weeks in advance (For convenience) ?

 

[juced_porkchop]

deca and mast Min 12 weeks IMO. (specially deca)
EQ min 14-16wks IMO (not a fan of EQ. i rec deca or mast for 12 weeks or so)

*AI dex start at 0.25mg eod and IF NEEDED, up to 0.5mg eod. from week one to the start of PCT.

rest looks good

 

[Milton]

Welcome to the forums!

 

[Jhathinue]

Welcome to the forums!

Thanks Milton ! What do you think about my 3rd Cycle coming up? Any Recommendations ?

 

[Jhathinue]

deca and mast Min 12 weeks IMO. (specially deca)
EQ min 14-16wks IMO (not a fan of EQ. i rec deca or mast for 12 weeks or so)

*AI dex start at 0.25mg eod and IF NEEDED, up to 0.5mg eod. from week one to the start of PCT.

rest looks good

Hey Juiced!

Thank for the response.

Are you referring to "Deca and Mast" alone (NO Test E). Or Test E with "Deca and Mast? Or Test E with "Deca OR Mast" ?

EQ is out

Liquidex at .25mg EOD, correct ??

 

[Megatron28]

Goals: I would like to add some additional ***8220;strength and size***8221; to my first 8weeks on this cycle

If this is the case, why not go with a short ester like prop and run some dbol?




Other thoughts:

hCG should be run up until about three days before PCT starts.

Back the first week of clomid down from 100 to 75.

Anastrozole is fine.

Don't "pre-prep" syringes for injection.

 

[Jhathinue]

If this is the case, why not go with a short ester like prop and run some dbol?




Other thoughts:

hCG should be run up until about three days before PCT starts.

Back the first week of clomid down from 100 to 75.

Anastrozole is fine.

Don't "pre-prep" syringes for injection.

Thanks for the thoughts Mega.
I'll combine a long ester like Test E with Masteron (12-14 weeks) Decided to go longer now.
What would you recommend stacking with it ?


Hows my Anavar dosage ?

Understood with the HCG

Understood with the Clomid

Understood with keeping the Liquidex (Anastrozle)

No pre- prepping!

 

[juced_porkchop]

Hey Juiced!

Thank for the response.

Are you referring to "Deca and Mast" alone (NO Test E). Or Test E with "Deca and Mast? Or Test E with "Deca OR Mast" ?

EQ is out

Liquidex at .25mg EOD, correct ??

NP

i mean one of them with test. ofcourse you could do all three, but no need to go too crazy, altough a nice stack. keeping it simple I prefer.
I would do something like 12 weeks 300-500mg teste ew and 400mg maste (12 wks)

or 14 weeks 400-500mg teste ew and 12 weeks 300-400mg deca ew *teste going 2 weeks longer than the deca.
and ofcourse PCT about couple weeks after last pin , i rec pct of clomid and tamox for 4-5 weeks

you could also use the NPP (fast acting deca, like how testp is to teste) for 12 weeks and end the test at 12 weeks also IMO

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks for the thoughts Mega.
I'll combine a long ester like Test E with Masteron (12-14 weeks) Decided to go longer now.
What would you recommend stacking with it ?


Hows my Anavar dosage ?

Understood with the HCG

Understood with the Clomid

Understood with keeping the Liquidex (Anastrozle)

No pre- prepping!

Your body fat % might be a little highish for Mast to "shine". Nandrolone is always a great choice for a cycle. Consider running it.

I don't think I would go higher with the anavar. Honestly I doubt you will need it if you go with Test and Nandrolone.

 

[bigben66]

Hello Community,

Hope all is well. It has been 24 weeks from my 2nd cycle and will be starting my 3rd in a couple weeks.
My last cycle went great with everyone's advice on this forum, so I wanted to Thank everyone again for their support for all us who need it.
It's a great family here and sound advice when needed.


Stats are:
Age 38
5'9 at 192 lbs
BF around 14%
Training for around 11 years off and on

Cycle 3 - Pin around March 7th

1-14 Test. Enanthate (250mg every 3.5 days)

1-14 HCG (250iu every 3.5 days)

1-8 Recommendation and dosage here (EQ, Deca, Mas)

1-16 Liquidex (EOD) Different AI ? Recommendation and dosage


8-14 Anavar (60mg ED) Last 2 weeks (80mgED) Different ? Recommendation and dosage


PCT: 16-19
Clomid: 100/50/50/50/50
Nolvadex: 40/40/20/20/20

Liver support
N-Acetyl cysteine (1800 ED) *Double when Var starts
Liv.52


Blood work will be taken like usual.

Goals: I would like to add some additional ***8220;strength and size***8221; to my first 8weeks on this cycle, so I was reading about adding EQ, Deca, to my Test E ?

No competition, just normal office guy.



Questions:

Would you all have any recommendation on what to add with my Test E for added benefits ?

Should I intake higher dosage with Anavar ?

Should I replace my AI Liquidex with another AI ? Recommendation ?

Is it safe to pre-prep my Test E, HCG mixture 2 weeks in advance (For convenience) ?

Hi OP:

Nice cycle layout, easy for us to decipher

Hard to advise a progressive cycle for you without knowing what Cycle 2 comprised of...

From what I've read, I'd keep it simple with a Test & Deca run... and you could add in D'Bol for the first 4 weeks to address your goals of added strength and size in the first 8 weeks.

Something like this...

Test E - 15 wks
Deca - 14 wks (finish 1 week before Test)
D'Bol - 1st 4 weeks
Var (optional) - last 6 weeks

But you'll have to be mindful that estrogen will rise drastically when running those first three compounds together.

Mega is correct, HCG should be ran up to 3 days before PCT.

I do get a bit sick of people aiming for both strength and size gains! Personally I think you need to decide what you want more and alter your training programme (and diet) accordingly.

For strength gains, you need to follow a structured and progressive programme with small poundage increases each session. Such as the 5 x 5 schedule. This needs to be accompanied by a calorie surplus and appropriate AAS.

For muscle gains, you need to train for hypertrophy, using drop sets, supersets, rest-pause sets, negatives etc... you don't need a workout programme, you can literally throw the kitchen sink at the target muscle, your sole goal is to leave the gym trashed.

Of course when you train for hypertrophy, you will see a slight gain in strength as the weeks go by, but your main aim is to promote muscle growth.

Make your mind up what you want more, and run your cycle accordingly!

Good luck,

BigBen

 

[Jhathinue]

NP

i mean one of them with test. ofcourse you could do all three, but no need to go too crazy, altough a nice stack. keeping it simple I prefer.
I would do something like 12 weeks 300-500mg teste ew and 400mg maste (12 wks)

or 14 weeks 400-500mg teste ew and 12 weeks 300-400mg deca ew *teste going 2 weeks longer than the deca.
and ofcourse PCT about couple weeks after last pin , i rec pct of clomid and tamox for 4-5 weeks

you could also use the NPP (fast acting deca, like how testp is to teste) for 12 weeks and end the test at 12 weeks also IMO

Thanks again Juced! I'll go with a Test E/NPP, since Mega pointed out that my BF % is a little too high.
I understand your PCT thoughts and will adjust my cycle.

I'm thinking about a 13 weeks cycle its looking to be.
Thanks for your time and advice.

 

[Jhathinue]

Your body fat % might be a little highish for Mast to "shine". Nandrolone is always a great choice for a cycle. Consider running it.

I don't think I would go higher with the anavar. Honestly I doubt you will need it if you go with Test and Nandrolone.

Ok Mega, I conducted some research on NPP, you and juced are correct. NPP would benefit me on this cycle.

I'm contemplating a 13-week cycle, with Test E / NPP - Dosage around 250mg (3.5 days) for Test E and what would you recommend on the dosage for NPP ?

Understood on the Anavar.

Lastly, is Liquidex decent for this AI cycle or should I move towards Arimidex or Aromasin ?


Thank you in advance for your advice.

 

[Jhathinue]

Hi OP:

Nice cycle layout, easy for us to decipher

Hard to advise a progressive cycle for you without knowing what Cycle 2 comprised of...

From what I've read, I'd keep it simple with a Test & Deca run... and you could add in D'Bol for the first 4 weeks to address your goals of added strength and size in the first 8 weeks.

Something like this...

Test E - 15 wks
Deca - 14 wks (finish 1 week before Test)
D'Bol - 1st 4 weeks
Var (optional) - last 6 weeks

But you'll have to be mindful that estrogen will rise drastically when running those first three compounds together.

Mega is correct, HCG should be ran up to 3 days before PCT.

I do get a bit sick of people aiming for both strength and size gains! Personally I think you need to decide what you want more and alter your training programme (and diet) accordingly.

For strength gains, you need to follow a structured and progressive programme with small poundage increases each session. Such as the 5 x 5 schedule. This needs to be accompanied by a calorie surplus and appropriate AAS.

For muscle gains, you need to train for hypertrophy, using drop sets, supersets, rest-pause sets, negatives etc... you don't need a workout programme, you can literally throw the kitchen sink at the target muscle, your sole goal is to leave the gym trashed.

Of course when you train for hypertrophy, you will see a slight gain in strength as the weeks go by, but your main aim is to promote muscle growth.

Make your mind up what you want more, and run your cycle accordingly!

Good luck,

BigBen

Yes, I've learned from reading other members post and how you experience ones have "tore" into them to make the posts more readable heheheh

Whoa great information and some changes in my cycle.

First this was my 2nd cycle which members here assisted me on:


1-14 Test. Enathante (250mg every 3.5 days)
2-14 HCG (250iu every 3.5 days, mixing with Test in same syringe) 1/8 ml or 0.25 cc/ml
1-16 Liquidex (4ml everyday)

8-14 Anavar (60mg ED) Last 2 weeks (80mgED)


PCT: 16-19
Clomid 80/80/50/50/50 (5 weeks)
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20/20

Liver support
N-Acetyl cysteine (1800 ED) *Double when Var starts
Liv.52
Milk Thistle


I understand what you are referring to with deciding what one really wants and not necessarily go for both strength and size.
I am looking, NOW, for strength, and I'll copy/paste, and research what you have suggest in regards to hypertrophy!

Thanks for the great advice. It is very valuable and appreciated.

 

[Megatron28]

Ok Mega, I conducted some research on NPP, you and juced are correct. NPP would benefit me on this cycle.

I'm contemplating a 13-week cycle, with Test E / NPP - Dosage around 250mg (3.5 days) for Test E and what would you recommend on the dosage for NPP ?

Understood on the Anavar.

Lastly, is Liquidex decent for this AI cycle or should I move towards Arimidex or Aromasin ?


Thank you in advance for your advice.

Liquidex is Arimidex. Arimidex or Aromasin are both great choices. I would use the one you have experience with since you a!ready know how to dose it.

NPP dose of 400-800mg/wk is good. Remember to inject it EOD.

 

[Jhathinue]

Liquidex is Arimidex. Arimidex or Aromasin are both great choices. I would use the one you have experience with since you a!ready know how to dose it.

NPP dose of 400-800mg/wk is good. Remember to inject it EOD.

Thanks Mega,

Would you recommend taking Anadrol with the Test E/NPP ? I was doing alot of reading on this combo and Anadrol seems to come up alot.
If yes, how much dosage would go well with this and how long ? 1-8 weeks ?

Understood and thank you for the NPP dosage. Should this NPP be injected the entire 13 week cycle or just 1-8 weeks ?

EOD will be tough, but will do it.

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks Mega,

Would you recommend taking Anadrol with the Test E/NPP ? I was doing alot of reading on this combo and Anadrol seems to come up alot.
If yes, how much dosage would go well with this and how long ? 1-8 weeks ?

Understood and thank you for the NPP dosage. Should this NPP be injected the entire 13 week cycle or just 1-8 weeks ?

EOD will be tough, but will do it.

Only add one new compound at a time. So no to the anadrol this cycle.

Run the NPP the full length of the cycle. I recommended NPP for an 8 week cycle. But if you are going to go 16 weeks I would use Deca. You need to match the ester to your planned cycle. If you can't stand pinning EOD use Deca instead but you have to run a longer cycle. Also remember that if you use Deca that you have to drop it two weeks prior to stopping the test E as it takes long to clear. It is just a function of the ester half lives.

I am getting the sense that you don't really understand how esters and half lives work. I would encourage you to do more homework nin this area.

 

[Jhathinue]

Only add one new compound at a time. So no to the anadrol this cycle.

Run the NPP the full length of the cycle. I recommended NPP for an 8 week cycle. But if you are going to go 16 weeks I would use Deca. You need to match the ester to your planned cycle. If you can't stand pinning EOD use Deca instead but you have to run a longer cycle. Also remember that if you use Deca that you have to drop it two weeks prior to stopping the test E as it takes long to clear. It is just a function of the ester half lives.

I am getting the sense that you don't really understand how esters and half lives work. I would encourage you to do more homework nin this area.

Thanks Mega!

I'll do more homework, before I begin. No mistakes, because I didn't study. I'm reading over working on how all this stuff works.
But I need to learn more.

Thanks for taking the time to respond. It was very educational and apperciated.

I'll end at this last post, but before I do I wanted to ask a last question. Hope thats alright.
I've also been reading about a product called TEST 400mg - that has Test Enanthate (120mg), Test Cypionate (120mg), and Test Deconote (160mg) - 400-1200mg per week

What would be your thoughts on a blended ester like this for 16 weeks ? I understand the "only add one new compound at a time" Does this blend in that same category ?

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks Mega!

I'll do more homework, before I begin. No mistakes, because I didn't study. I'm reading over working on how all this stuff works.
But I need to learn more.

Thanks for taking the time to respond. It was very educational and apperciated.

I'll end at this last post, but before I do I wanted to ask a last question. Hope thats alright.
I've also been reading about a product called TEST 400mg - that has Test Enanthate (120mg), Test Cypionate (120mg), and Test Deconote (160mg) - 400-1200mg per week

What would be your thoughts on a blended ester like this for 16 weeks ? I understand the "only add one new compound at a time" Does this blend in that same category ?

Test is test. So technically it is just one compound.

I don't like blended esters though (or blended compounds). It makes it more difficult to manage when to run PCT and even AI use. I would pick just one ester and go with it. Plus something concentrated at 400mg/ml is more likely to cause PIP.

 

[Jhathinue]

Test is test. So technically it is just one compound.

I don't like blended esters though (or blended compounds). It makes it more difficult to manage when to run PCT and even AI use. I would pick just one ester and go with it. Plus something concentrated at 400mg/ml is more likely to cause PIP.

Thanks for everything Mega! I'll close this thread and read up on Test before I begin.
Hope to speak to you soon.