A week on Test Cyp and HCG- want to get off

[charliebucket]

ahhhh motherfucker...... so I have had ED and sex drive issues for the last few years. More than likely from the intense stress of having breathing issues.
About a year ago I did a very low dose 2 month cycle of test cyp. Was an idiot - didn't do any PCT. Went to a doctor about 6 months later and took clomid for a few months, which helped bring my balls back up to size.

Still struggled with maintaining erections, but would wake up with solid morning wood. Sex drive was shit while on clomid, improved after.

In any case, a few month go by, still have some issues, still not confident enough to date- and start taking DHEA, GABA, and an amino acid complex from whole foods. I wasnt expecting much, but things started to work again. Strong skyward boners that would stay erect without constant fiddling.

Around the same time, I saw an ageless/TRT doc locally and had my blood work done- which showed the following: I wanted to make sure my bases were covered and I figured the improvement in erectile quality was temporary. In hineseight, I wish I just let things be



Estradiol: 14
LH: 5.1
PSA: 1.8
DHEA: 528
Total Test: 408
Free Test: 16
DHT: 38

WBC: 7.7
RBC: 5.15
HEMOGLOBIN: 16.3
HEMATOCRIT: 48.1

Levels are all within normal range, but not necessarily optimal

So he prescribes

80(40 twice weekly) mg of test weekly and 500(250 twice weekly) iu's HCG

Abut 4 or 5 days after starting therapy, I was back to were i was pre- DHEA.
Still getting morning wood- but not working otherwise

My question to the group is if i stop therapy now, I've only had 2 test injections and 2 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) injections- 7 days since I started
Do i need to do any post cycle therapy (pct)? I'm ready to just walk away from injections, I feel like I'm just going to make it harder to function without testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) down the road.
My body, especially core feels leaner and tighter over the last few days, but I really just care about libido and erections

Thanks in advance

CB

 

[charliebucket]

Essentially I'm asking - If you stop a cycle of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Test Cyp after a week, does it take to return to normal and do I need post cycle therapy (pct)?
Thanks

 

[Megatron28]

Get labs and check your LH and FSH. See if you are shut down.

 

[charliebucket]

can 2 shots of test shut you down even with 250 ius of HCG?

 

[Megatron28]

can 2 shots of test shut you down even with 250 ius of HCG?

Get labs and find out. It may have shut you down. Let me know if you don't know how to getblabs done without going through your doc

This kind of like asking how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop.

 

[halfwit]

I don't know why you're giving up after two weeks. It takes much longer for the testosterone to build up in your system, and even then you still have some time before your body reacts in a manner you can judge. I do question why a doctor would put you on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with those levels, but if you're dead-set on coming off - you should probably run a light PCT with nolva/clomid just to be sure.

I don't normally recommend this, but seeing how you had problems to begin with; I'd honestly stick with the T and see how things go. Yes, you will likely permanently suppress any natural testosterone capability over time, but if you start to feel much better from the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) - why not stay on and feel good? The fact that many don't like to realize is that if you're already seeing levels that low, testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) IS in your future as it is. Just a matter of time.

My .02c

 

[BigRussT]

Run the cycle see how it gose

 

[charliebucket]

How do you get labs done without a doc?
Is my test low for a 36 yr old?
I have a script for clomid so i could run that now.
Would an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) inhibitor help?
sorry for all the questions. My bi-weekly injection is today - the first one of my 2nd week. Just trying to figure out what the hell to do

 

[halfwit]

How do you get labs done without a doc?
Is my test low for a 36 yr old?
I have a script for clomid so i could run that now.
Would an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) inhibitor help?
sorry for all the questions. My bi-weekly injection is today - the first one of my 2nd week. Just trying to figure out what the hell to do

Private bloodwork: Menopause Testing - Private MD (Yes, it's for females - but it works for us as well, and is cheap. Just be sure to state MALE at the very end so you get the appropriate ranges)

Your testosterone level is far more than a number. It's how you feel. If you feel the symptoms of low T such as lethargy, weakness, inability to lose body fat, have anxiety, libido issues, etc - then it's too low for you at 400ng/dL. Some guys are quite happy at that number, so it would be perfect for them. As we're all different, it's difficult to tell you if that is a good value for you or not.

You would run clomid ONLY if you decided to come off. Otherwise, you're just wasting it. Even then, you wouldn't start it for a few weeks anyway - to let the testosterone metabolize out of your system.

You don't need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) unless you have elevated estradiol. A blood test will confirm this.

Like I said, if you feel like crap - stick with it. Otherwise, I'd try the PCT-restart and see how things go. You're not going to see results from exogenous testosterone in 2 weeks, so you will need to be patient.

My .02c

 

[charliebucket]

thanks halfwit appreciate the insight ... I felt great about a day after my first test injection. But I was already started to feel better prior to first injection. My issues seemed to start a day or so after the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) injection.
I just felt like shit

What would the effects of clomid be if taken in conjunction with HCT and Test Cyp? I know people take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Clomid to boost libido, but I'm surprised that the 3 are not used together
How long does it typically take to feel the effects of test cyp? a month? If I go off everything now, can I just run clomid for a week, how long does recovery take on a week of test?
Sorry for all the questions. Just want my dick back

 

[Alpin]

I don't know why you're giving up after two weeks. It takes much longer for the testosterone to build up in your system, and even then you still have some time before your body reacts in a manner you can judge. I do question why a doctor would put you on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with those levels, but if you're dead-set on coming off - you should probably run a light PCT with nolva/clomid just to be sure.

I don't normally recommend this, but seeing how you had problems to begin with; I'd honestly stick with the T and see how things go. Yes, you will likely permanently suppress any natural testosterone capability over time, but if you start to feel much better from the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) - why not stay on and feel good? The fact that many don't like to realize is that if you're already seeing levels that low, testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) IS in your future as it is. Just a matter of time.

My .02c

At 25 y.o. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc put me on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) monotherapy with 582 ng/dl
(8 weeks on that I was at 965 ng/dl)
after 4 years the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) monotherapy kept me at 512 ng/dl...he told me to use T shots and then stay on HCG...

 

[Alpin]

Charliebucket

You said sex drive felt like crap while on clomid or was it after discontinuation of it?
how was wood on it? any nausea, depression, anxiety, hot flashes while on it?
what dose and how long were you on it...???

 

[charliebucket]

after clomid sex drive, and erectile quality went back up.. usually within a day or two of stopping it.
I was taking 25mg every other day and the off day I would feel moderately better. I would occasionally skip a weekend and there would be a noticeable difference by sunday.
You get like a test surge after 24 hrs or so of not taking it.

Clomid on its own though is not a fun time, but it gave me my nuts back and who knows what my test was had I had not taken it.
I would get hot flashes constantly, not much in terms of nausea, depression yes, anxiety yes, breakouts and oily skin yes.
But it works....

 

[Alpin]

after clomid sex drive, and erectile quality went back up.. usually within a day or two of stopping it.
I was taking 25mg every other day and the off day I would feel moderately better. I would occasionally skip a weekend and there would be a noticeable difference by sunday.
You get like a test surge after 24 hrs or so of not taking it.

Clomid on its own though is not a fun time, but it gave me my nuts back and who knows what my test was had I had not taken it.
I would get hot flashes constantly, not much in terms of nausea, depression yes, anxiety yes, breakouts and oily skin yes.
But it works....

A common Restart protocol or long term therapy of clomid is 50 mg EOD for 4 months usually...
lot of docs continue on this dose for up to a year I heard.
25 mg ? you broke tab in half ?

 

[jomamma007]

Yeah clomid causes nasty reaction in some. I had all the symptoms you've stated.
I think you should be patient and give the test at least 4 weeks since you've already started. You can always pct after and given that you're 3? shots in I'd say your natural production is probably off.

 

[charliebucket]

2 shots in, but I've also had 2 shots of hcg

 

[halfwit]

thanks halfwit appreciate the insight ... I felt great about a day after my first test injection. But I was already started to feel better prior to first injection. My issues seemed to start a day or so after the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) injection.
I just felt like shit

What would the effects of clomid be if taken in conjunction with HCT and Test Cyp? I know people take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Clomid to boost libido, but I'm surprised that the 3 are not used together
How long does it typically take to feel the effects of test cyp? a month? If I go off everything now, can I just run clomid for a week, how long does recovery take on a week of test?
Sorry for all the questions. Just want my dick back

Not a problem man, unfortunately doctors aren't so good at explaining this stuff - so we're left depending on each other to figure it out.

Honestly if you felt better after one shot, that was likely placebo effect as you KNOW you just put something you felt you lacked into your body. I'd wager most of us felt the same way after our first shot. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. Yes, it is common to see testosterone cypionate build up to serum levels in about 4 weeks. Sometimes a little less, sometimes a little more. It really depends on how fast you metabolize it and if you excrete it faster than others as well.

Clomid (a SERM) tricks your body into releasing more leutinizing hormone (LH) by telling your pituitary gland that you are low on estrogen. As you are injecting exogenous testosterone, a stronger signal is generated; overriding this fake request for LH. This is why Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is used, as it creates an analog (imitation) LH signal that the rest of your body needs to promote other hormone production such as the adrenal glands as they have an LH receptor. As the "LH" from Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is not generated by your pituitary gland, it is able to work with exogenous testosterone, whereas the real LH from your pituitary is suppressed. I've only seen one person that has the ability to produce natural LH AND be on injected testosterone, and he's undergoing tests to ensure there isn't a brain/pituitary tumor causing this.

Yes, I'd wager you could start clomid in a week - although I would give the testosterone another two weeks to see if you feel better. Then again, it's your body and your choice obviously.

At 25 y.o. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc put me on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) monotherapy with 582 ng/dl
(8 weeks on that I was at 965 ng/dl)
after 4 years the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) monotherapy kept me at 512 ng/dl...he told me to use T shots and then stay on HCG...

Yes, and we both know that doc was a quack.

 

[Die$eL~Man]

jump on some cialis to fuck. RUI got good liquid cialis

 

[charliebucket]

So have been off everything about 10 days. Taking 50 mg of clomid a day. Fuck clomid.
Loaded with 100mg for the first 2 days. Taking 50 a day since. How long with only a week
on test do I need to take Clomid?

Dick is working again, so thats a big plus

Thanks again for everyones input

 

[IMT staff]

why did we stop everything again?