About to start test/tren e cycle, I have a few questions..

[SamSong]

"21 6"0 180 lbs 7%"

There are very, very few 7% BF people here or anywhere. Got a photo to prove it?

Seriously, too young, not educated, running prohormones can't be considered a cycle compared with 500mg Test of so, so you're a cycle virgin really. So Test only, but at age 21??? I don't think so.

 

[Rastas]

Prohormones are lollies compared to the real thing.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Mess up development? Aware me on the difference between me cycling now compared with me cycling at 25?

Men for the most part are not finished puberty/full development until age 24-27 (yes the main growth spurts are about 15-19, but that is not full development)
And when you use steroids before your body is finished developing, it can STOP developing, growth plates close, and sex organ development along with endocrine development may never finish or be messed up from messing with your hormones at the time where your body bases a lot of its development off the hormone levels and too much is very bad of any of them at this time .
There is ALOT of reasons why we say DONT USE STEROIDS WHEN YOUA RE YOUNG!

 

[juced_porkchop]

did you do any research before buying this stuff? You need to search on this board and others to get and idea for the cycle. From the questions you ask your not ready for it.

agreed!

 

[You mad Bro]

My routine does not suck neither does my diet, the reason I cycle is because natural bodybuilding is obsolete, my body can't make the gains I deserve for the amount of effort I put into my lifestyle, AAS allows these gains. I already knew the answers to my questions I just wanted to be reassured. I'm not even going to respond to your post juiced porkchop because you talk as if to say AAS doesn't damage you when you're old and it only affects us young ones.

 

[User Name:]

My routine does not suck neither does my diet, the reason I cycle is because natural bodybuilding is obsolete, my body can't make the gains I deserve for the amount of effort I put into my lifestyle, AAS allows these gains. I already knew the answers to my questions I just wanted to be reassured. I'm not even going to respond to your post juiced porkchop because you talk as if to say AAS doesn't damage you when you're old and it only affects us young ones.

Each and everyone of us is against you poor guy, I bet my ass of you're a guy who bench presses about 500lb, deadlifts 800lb and squats 600lb like nothing while on a clean 6000 calorie diet and "your body CAN'T make the gains you deserve" You know what, you people are jealous. Don't listen to them. I f I were you I'd go with test-e and tren-e about 2-3 grams per week to get what you truly deserve.

 

[You mad Bro]

You sound like the sort of guy who fully backs up natural bodybuilding despite sticking a needle in your own ass, you're a hypocrite and the world would be a better place without people like you.

 

[mbwood]

strong miscer

 

[papapo]

You sound like the sort of guy who fully backs up natural bodybuilding despite sticking a needle in your own ass, you're a hypocrite and the world would be a better place without people like you.

You're insulting him when you've never tried tren before and you're running an enan ester when you're worried about BP issues? All I can say is - this will be a hilarious cycle log (if you are honestly that ignorant to actually run this). Please keep me informed, I need a good laugh.

 

[papapo]

In fact, subscribed Darwinism at it's finest.

 

[You mad Bro]

You're insulting him when you've never tried tren before and you're running an enan ester when you're worried about BP issues? All I can say is - this will be a hilarious cycle log (if you are honestly that ignorant to actually run this). Please keep me informed, I need a good laugh.

The problem is you're focusing on the things in life that don't really matter. When I was a kid I had hopes and dreams. We all did. But over time, the daily grind gets in the way and you miss the things that really matter, even though they are right in front of you, staring you in the face. I think the next time you should ask yourself "Am I on the right track here?". I don't mean to be rude but people like you I really pity. So maybe you could use the few brain cells you have and take advantage of the knowledge I have given you now. Good luck.

 

[mispronounced]

not trying to thread hijack, but question here. Are there any studies that show 25 is the age when it's safe to cycle? I understand test can stunt growth by closing your plates, but I haven't heard anything about it fucking up your hpta forever. Yes, your body relies on hormones as it is growing, it also relies on them at age 30. I'm not advocating a 15 year old who's happy with his height to cycle, but a 21 year old is more or less fully grown. So are there any medical studies that show the dangers of cycling under 25? Basically what I'm saying is, lets say OP does this cycle and it completely ruins his hormones, he's on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life. doubtful, but lets just say. How do we know that he wouldn't get the same result had he cycled at 25?

Not trying to be a smartass, legitimately wondering about this. I always hear, "under 25, no way." but then never see any studies to support this. thanks if you can help

 

[Majere1313]

I've never seen so many people try to help a kid that is so obviously fuckin ignorant and refuses to listen in all my life. I'm of the opinion that if you tell someone onceand they're too stupid to listen, let em fuck themselves up. You've done all you can.

 

[papapo]

The problem is you're focusing on the things in life that don't really matter. When I was a kid I had hopes and dreams. We all did. But over time, the daily grind gets in the way and you miss the things that really matter, even though they are right in front of you, staring you in the face. I think the next time you should ask yourself "Am I on the right track here?". I don't mean to be rude but people like you I really pity. So maybe you could use the few brain cells you have and take advantage of the knowledge I have given you now. Good luck.

I can't tell if you're ignorant or have down syndrome. Dude I'm trying to tell you that using an enanthate ester will be HORRIBLE if you so happen to have bad side effects. That doesn't have anything to do with your "hopes and dreams, or your daily grind". All I'm saying is, don't come bitching when you develop bitch tits and acne scars all over your face because of your ignorance. "So maybe you could use the few brain cells you have and take advantage of the knowledge I have given you now." <----What knowledge have YOU given me? How to fuck up my endocrine system on a compound you've never used? Oh master teach me more of your knowledge!

 

[papapo]

not trying to thread hijack, but question here. Are there any studies that show 25 is the age when it's safe to cycle? I understand test can stunt growth by closing your plates, but I haven't heard anything about it fucking up your hpta forever. Yes, your body relies on hormones as it is growing, it also relies on them at age 30. I'm not advocating a 15 year old who's happy with his height to cycle, but a 21 year old is more or less fully grown. So are there any medical studies that show the dangers of cycling under 25? Basically what I'm saying is, lets say OP does this cycle and it completely ruins his hormones, he's on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life. doubtful, but lets just say. How do we know that he wouldn't get the same result had he cycled at 25?

Not trying to be a smartass, legitimately wondering about this. I always hear, "under 25, no way." but then never see any studies to support this. thanks if you can help

Hey man, this is the wrong section, post in the "Anabolic Steroid Forum", I'm sure they'll be better equipped to tell you. But from what I hear, the reasoning for the age of 25 is the fact that most people's test drops around that age anyways, and to make sure you've given yourself enough time to fully develop your endocrine system. Not just closing of plates.

 

[You mad Bro]

Sorry I forgot AAS doesn't affect your endocrine system past age of 25, dumbass.

 

[mispronounced]

Sorry I forgot AAS doesn't affect your endocrine system past age of 25, dumbass.

lol. That's the one thing I can't stand about this site. If you had said your age was 29 or something like that, people would gladly be answering your questions and practically designing your cycle for you. Yet you say 21 and it's one big flame fest. I know they mean well, but everyone in this thread knows you're going to cycle despite what they say, why not just be helpful?

also, aware you sick kunt

 

[darkside06]

Previous cycles: Few prohormone cycles and 1 test e 12 week cycle at 500mg EW.

Stats: I'm 21 6"0 180 lbs 7% bf

I'm wanting to run test e for 12 or 16 weeks at 300mg EW and the tren e at 400mg EW for 7-8 weeks. I have test prop to kick start the cycle.

How much test prop do I need to inject for the equivalent of 300mg of test e?

How would I go about kick starting, whole thing is confusing with all the numbers and that, nomsayin lol, if someone can explain in detail would really help.

Can I draw the test and tren into same syringe and inject?

How often should I inject the tren e, twice a week?

Will I be ok with sides? I read a forum post earlier when I was researching about a guy having to go to hospital because of high blood pressure from 400mg of tren e a week and it's making me worry.

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Inb4 if you have to ask you're not ready.

Gonna bring a few things out here bro,

First.....why kickstart? no need for that.
Second......yeah yeah you're too young for gear let alone trying to fuck with Tren on your 2nd cycle but we all know regardless of what is said you're gonna run the shit anyways, but why Tren E? why not ace?

You've heard all the wonderful things about Tren but have yet to experience the strength of the compound. Your first time with Tren you should always run Ace.....because when you have bad sides you can stop and be off it in a matter of days. If you decide to take Tren E and have real bad sides.......you're fucked!

not sure what your goals are but prop/ace all the way through is a nice cycle.

just a little food for thought.

also, what do you plan on for pct?

 

[kamikaze]

Let your blood work be the judge. Have you even gotten blood work done?

 

[You mad Bro]

I hate waiting for test e to kick in. I prefer longer esters or so I did before I started this cycle. I'll just put up with it if I have bad sides, I'm generally a tough person when it comes to sides effects/ being ill so I'm not too worried about sides.

I will probably run prop/tren a for my next cycle, previously I hated pinning, but with using prop as a kickstart I've gotten used to using more spots, I do prefer prop now I like how it's fast acting, only drawback is that it's much more expensive than enanthate.

For Pct I'll run clomid and I'll run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) coming up to the end of my cycle.