ok, so most of my friends tried to get me to try a cycle while i was in the marines but i just felt it better to wait til i was out, well im 27 been working out off and on for like 9 years and im ready to see some real gains... i'm only 5'7 and weigh 155lbs on a good day, i really wanna see at least 175 before i die! i have found someone who can get me something called supertest(supposed to be 3 types of test in one) and then decca 200 all for about 425 dollars seems a little high to me but i have no idea... says the test is 225 and decca is 200... ive read a lot of threads saying that u should just try test ur first cycle to see how your body reacts to one compound at a time... thoughts on this? should i stack and when should i start taking the anti estrogen and is that the same as post cycle therapy (pct)? any help would be great i just really wanna make sure i do this the right way the first time i realize its gonna be trial and error at some point but i wanna make sure i learn from people who know what they are talking about before i just dive in and get gyno or something... i appreciate anyone who can help! thanks and good training! my buddy says do half a cc of test and half cc of decca once a week... does that sound right?
absolutely lost... please help! 1st timer!!!
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fleverglades
Metal Head
$425 is EXPENSIVE - about twice what it should be. Just do test alone - it'll get you to 175 without the bloat associated with deca. Get twice as much test and forge the deca.
What dosage are you gonna do?
What dosage are you gonna do?
Bro, try reading the articles in this thread, it'll really help you a lot:http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/111479-massive-newbie-info.html
Here are some excerpts from the post to answer some of your questions:
The Gear
The are many right and many wrong ways to do things here. There is no one magic formula for cycling. Many people do it many different ways. Many of those ways work well. Many don't. Things I may suggest others may say I'm way off base. I can only tell you what I have learned from experience. You have to make your own decisions for yourself
Its become a common thing that many vets here suggest a test only first cycle. Thats fine. I'm sure you'll get some good gains from it. I myself like a little more in the mix. Like I said test only is fine if you want to stop there.
The most coming thing to ad is deca. Yes its mild on the sides. Yes you get good gains. However, if you do chose deca it will mean that an anti estrogen alone will not prevent gyno 100%. Another substance such as bromo will be needed in case of progesterone related gyno. For this reason alone I suggest eq (Equipoise). The gains are not quit as big but you will keep more of them and that sounds like a good trade off to me.
Dbol and other orals.
I know many of you would like to ad these to a first stack. I did and from experience let me tell you its not a good idea. The side effects are just too high. I was doubled over in bed from my the pains in my liver. Other have had pains from excessive back pumps to the point of missing workouts. trust me on this one save the orals till you know how your gonna react to a all injectable cycle it will make it easier
Doses
I suggest you run test at about 500mg. Some say thats over kill and 250mg is plenty first time around. For some maybe. I know for a fact for me it wouldn't have been enough. I upped my doses mid cycle from 400mg to 600mg before I got satisfactory results from my test. To me 500mg is in no way shape or form excessive.
For the eq or deca I would run it at 300-400mg. Ran mine at 400mg. I felt it had a great effect on me.
Other thing you need to be taking
Lots of water. I am not ****ting you when I say on a cycle I drink 2+ gallons a day. I just drink it out of a 1 gallon jug. Hope you don't get in trouble at work for being in the bathroom every 15 min.
Anti estrogen. I personally take nolva though out the whole cycle @ 20mg. If I feel itchy or sore nipples I up it to 50mg till its gone. Then its back to 20mg. I run it till I'm done with my PCT (post cycle therapy). Other good things to run with or instead of nolva liquadex, ferma, Arimidex. Read around you'll see a couple others. Nolva for me is simply cheap available and effective.
Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) I follow the idea that clomid alone is a perfectly fine PCT for most cycles. I will say for any kinda cycle your going to be doing here it is. The thing is you wanna start your clomid when the majority of the anabolics are out of your system. For that you need to know that test Enathate (which is the test I recommend you use right now) after 2 weeks will diminish enough to Begin post cycle therapy (pct). For deca and eq it will be roughly 3 weeks. So you will simply end the eq/deca a week before the test.
The correct way to run clomid:
day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg ed (every day)
day 12-21 50 mg ed
Here are some excerpts from the post to answer some of your questions:
The Gear
The are many right and many wrong ways to do things here. There is no one magic formula for cycling. Many people do it many different ways. Many of those ways work well. Many don't. Things I may suggest others may say I'm way off base. I can only tell you what I have learned from experience. You have to make your own decisions for yourself
Its become a common thing that many vets here suggest a test only first cycle. Thats fine. I'm sure you'll get some good gains from it. I myself like a little more in the mix. Like I said test only is fine if you want to stop there.
The most coming thing to ad is deca. Yes its mild on the sides. Yes you get good gains. However, if you do chose deca it will mean that an anti estrogen alone will not prevent gyno 100%. Another substance such as bromo will be needed in case of progesterone related gyno. For this reason alone I suggest eq (Equipoise). The gains are not quit as big but you will keep more of them and that sounds like a good trade off to me.
Dbol and other orals.
I know many of you would like to ad these to a first stack. I did and from experience let me tell you its not a good idea. The side effects are just too high. I was doubled over in bed from my the pains in my liver. Other have had pains from excessive back pumps to the point of missing workouts. trust me on this one save the orals till you know how your gonna react to a all injectable cycle it will make it easier
Doses
I suggest you run test at about 500mg. Some say thats over kill and 250mg is plenty first time around. For some maybe. I know for a fact for me it wouldn't have been enough. I upped my doses mid cycle from 400mg to 600mg before I got satisfactory results from my test. To me 500mg is in no way shape or form excessive.
For the eq or deca I would run it at 300-400mg. Ran mine at 400mg. I felt it had a great effect on me.
Other thing you need to be taking
Lots of water. I am not ****ting you when I say on a cycle I drink 2+ gallons a day. I just drink it out of a 1 gallon jug. Hope you don't get in trouble at work for being in the bathroom every 15 min.
Anti estrogen. I personally take nolva though out the whole cycle @ 20mg. If I feel itchy or sore nipples I up it to 50mg till its gone. Then its back to 20mg. I run it till I'm done with my PCT (post cycle therapy). Other good things to run with or instead of nolva liquadex, ferma, Arimidex. Read around you'll see a couple others. Nolva for me is simply cheap available and effective.
Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) I follow the idea that clomid alone is a perfectly fine PCT for most cycles. I will say for any kinda cycle your going to be doing here it is. The thing is you wanna start your clomid when the majority of the anabolics are out of your system. For that you need to know that test Enathate (which is the test I recommend you use right now) after 2 weeks will diminish enough to Begin post cycle therapy (pct). For deca and eq it will be roughly 3 weeks. So you will simply end the eq/deca a week before the test.
The correct way to run clomid:
day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg ed (every day)
day 12-21 50 mg ed
MS1605
ChiCompton
EDIT, KOI BEAT ME TOO IT!!!
Just stick to the basics that everyone is going to suggest.
Test E or C only.
Between 300-600mgs/week for 10-12 weeks.
AI of choice on hand in case any gyno issues arise.
SERM for PCT after.
You don't want to start stacking especially with your knowledge level thus far( no offense, just being honest.)
Just do your homework on AIs and choose which sounds appealing to you, along with a SERM.
Just stick to the basics that everyone is going to suggest.
Test E or C only.
Between 300-600mgs/week for 10-12 weeks.
AI of choice on hand in case any gyno issues arise.
SERM for PCT after.
You don't want to start stacking especially with your knowledge level thus far( no offense, just being honest.)
Just do your homework on AIs and choose which sounds appealing to you, along with a SERM.
Dreaded Pirate Roberts
Administrator
Bro learn how to "eat to Grow" Your not ready for Gear. Semper Fi
Go work on your diet with Jamy in the diet forum work out for 9 months after you've learned to eat. Then see where you are. I think you should be really happy with your gains.
Go work on your diet with Jamy in the diet forum work out for 9 months after you've learned to eat. Then see where you are. I think you should be really happy with your gains.
ok... so?
do u think i should look elsewhere for the test? he didnt really say the strength of it, i know he said the decca was decca200 and said the other was called supertest and it was three types of test... yeah i am trying to do some research but its still kinda confusing, and ive heard him saying he'd never pay more than 100 a compound now saying it costs him 425 for the decca and test. i just know i'd rather pay a little more and get the real stuff. i've read about counterfeits with just cooking oil in them which can fuck u up or getting some that is diluted with water i just really wanna try this as safely as possible with as much info as i can get...thanks for the info and trust me i know i am inexperienced and have no idea what i'm doing but i have to learn somehow, i dont take any criticism to heart...
do u think i should look elsewhere for the test? he didnt really say the strength of it, i know he said the decca was decca200 and said the other was called supertest and it was three types of test... yeah i am trying to do some research but its still kinda confusing, and ive heard him saying he'd never pay more than 100 a compound now saying it costs him 425 for the decca and test. i just know i'd rather pay a little more and get the real stuff. i've read about counterfeits with just cooking oil in them which can fuck u up or getting some that is diluted with water i just really wanna try this as safely as possible with as much info as i can get...thanks for the info and trust me i know i am inexperienced and have no idea what i'm doing but i have to learn somehow, i dont take any criticism to heart...
dirkdiggler9969
New member
I guessing that he's selling you 2 10ml bottles for 425 and that's RIDICULOUS. I've over-payed for gear tons of times when I was starting out, that's the problem with getting it from a guy, who gets it from a dude, who gets it from another guy. Growing pains. However, I've never paid that much. I wouldn't touch the deca if I were you yet. More likely than not the Test is Sustanon and it's 250mg's. Just get 2 bottles and run a 10 week cycle at 500mg's a week. Get some Nolvadex before you do anything and never start a cycle without everything you need! I understand not having options about price and selection.
doesnt matter what i eat... i have been taking in over 3500 calories a week for last 3 months and have gained five lbs ... i do three 700 calorie shakes a day and take in at least 800 calories at my 3 regular meals... at this rate ill eat myself to death... and i'm sooo bloated at the gym i am miserable through my workouts i do 4 times a week at the gym and i've cut cardio completely out the last month now... so on top of not gaining my definition is starting to fade and i'm damn near worse than when i started... my arms and shoulders are pretty much the only growth i've gotten, and i damn near throw up when working legs, i honestly think the 4 and half years running everyday in the marines has doomed me from gaining from the waist down. calves are tiny and quads are almost as bad, i just know i really am tired of being small and if adding a little testosterone will help then i'm all for it, but i'll take the general populations advice, if most of the people who reply think i should keep trying naturally till i get some more size before i start the gear i will definitely follow the advice of ppl who know what they are talking about rather than jumping into something i know very little about. keep it coming and i do appreciate all the help!
oops... sorry im doing this from phone little hard to type long paragraphs. i do no less than 3500 calories per day. i usually stay around 4500 but it fluctuates sometimes. i do 3 shakes a day(700 calorie shakes) and then i do bfast lunch and dinner regular meals and try to take in 800 calories a meal at those times... and i throw in peanut butter sometimes in the shakes for a little extra fat. the shakes are serious mass and i do a little less than half a serving at a time with fat free milk....
Amount Per Serving
% Daily Value
in low fat milk
Calories 1,250
Calories from Fat 35
Total Fat 4 g 6% 29%
Saturated Fat 3 g 13% 60%
Cholesterol 80 mg 27% 47%
Sodium 430 mg 18% 34%
Potassium 940 mg 27% 62%
Total Carbohydrate 254 g 85% 98%
Sugars 21 g
Protein 50 g 100% 148%
Vitamin A 5,000 IU 100% 130%
Vitamin C 60 mg 100% 110%
Calcium 630 mg 63% 144%
Iron 5 mg 28% 265%
Vitamin D 200 IU 50% 125%
Vitamin E 30 IU 100% 100%
Biotin 300 mcg 100% 100%
Chromium 120 mcg 100% 100%
Copper 1 mg 50% 50%
Iodine 150 mcg 100% 100%
Magnesium 140 mg 35% 60%
Manganese 2 mg 100% 100%
Molybdenum 75 mcg 100% 100%
Niacin 50 mg 250% 253%
Pantothenic Acid 25 mg 250% 270%
Phosphorus 460 mg 46% 116%
Selenium 70 mcg 100% 100%
Vitamin B12 10 mcg 167% 212%
Vitamin B6 5 mg 250% 265%
Zinc 15 mg 100% 120%
Riboflavin 4 mg 235% 306%
Thiamin 5 mg 320% 340%
Folic Acid 400 mcg 100% 109%
Inositol 250 mg
Creatine Monohydrate 1 g
L-Glutamine 500 mg
Choline (as Choline Bitartrate) 250 mg
Glutamine Peptides 500 mg
Glutamine Peptide 500 mg
PABA (Para Aminobenzoic Acid) 5 mg
PABA (Para-Aminobenzoic Acid) 5 mg
Choline (as Choline Bitarate) 250 mg
*percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.
Amount Per Serving
% Daily Value
in low fat milk
Calories 1,250
Calories from Fat 35
Total Fat 4 g 6% 29%
Saturated Fat 3 g 13% 60%
Cholesterol 80 mg 27% 47%
Sodium 430 mg 18% 34%
Potassium 940 mg 27% 62%
Total Carbohydrate 254 g 85% 98%
Sugars 21 g
Protein 50 g 100% 148%
Vitamin A 5,000 IU 100% 130%
Vitamin C 60 mg 100% 110%
Calcium 630 mg 63% 144%
Iron 5 mg 28% 265%
Vitamin D 200 IU 50% 125%
Vitamin E 30 IU 100% 100%
Biotin 300 mcg 100% 100%
Chromium 120 mcg 100% 100%
Copper 1 mg 50% 50%
Iodine 150 mcg 100% 100%
Magnesium 140 mg 35% 60%
Manganese 2 mg 100% 100%
Molybdenum 75 mcg 100% 100%
Niacin 50 mg 250% 253%
Pantothenic Acid 25 mg 250% 270%
Phosphorus 460 mg 46% 116%
Selenium 70 mcg 100% 100%
Vitamin B12 10 mcg 167% 212%
Vitamin B6 5 mg 250% 265%
Zinc 15 mg 100% 120%
Riboflavin 4 mg 235% 306%
Thiamin 5 mg 320% 340%
Folic Acid 400 mcg 100% 109%
Inositol 250 mg
Creatine Monohydrate 1 g
L-Glutamine 500 mg
Choline (as Choline Bitartrate) 250 mg
Glutamine Peptides 500 mg
Glutamine Peptide 500 mg
PABA (Para Aminobenzoic Acid) 5 mg
PABA (Para-Aminobenzoic Acid) 5 mg
Choline (as Choline Bitarate) 250 mg
*percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.
so its actually 20ml vial of test and the test vial says propenate ethonate and syponate? but they are abbreviated on the bottle... and then a 20ml vial of decca200. so i still havent gotten many responses on the to stack or not to stack? and if i do the test alone how many CCs a week?
surfdog
New member
well the test is 250mg/ml which is 1cc, take that 2x a wk till its gone, and what about post cycle therapy (pct)? nothing for that? your gonna shut down ur natty test and lose everything you gain without proper pct, diet is key bro not the gear, your gonna do it and not gain much or be able to keep them if you don't get in the diet forum and talk to 3J, start a thread asking for his help
1st cycle test only
1st cycle test only
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