Acceptable testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dosages and frequency

[TR2838]

I'm not sure why people keep thinking a particular dose of anything has the same effect on everyone - that's b.s. Whether test, supplements, food, Xanax, allergy meds or pain killers. Metabolism and half life's represent a small sample during testing of a drug - they are means, not exact.

At 200mg t cyp a week I was under 500, and it wasn't bogus test - sandoz t cyp from the pharmacy. My doc had me on 400mg/week and I wasn't even at 900. Granted it wasn't an optimized protocol but tweaks me when I see stuff like 'there's no way' - that's the friggin problem we're battling with doctors and getting OPTIMAL TRT. How many times on this forum we see ppl asking for help because their doc will only prescribe what's normal?

Sorry for the rant but c'mon guys don't feed into the problem we all want to solve.

I have to confess that I was one of those ppl saying no way your at 900 w/ 400mgs a week.. I think youre right DES.. I read posts all the time now with ppl taking what I considered high doses of test but they were still mid-range.. Although, as you stated above, the correct protocol will definitely help guys get their test levels higher w/ less exo-test needed.. shbg and estrogen control is crucial

 

[tuscans]

BTW confused - get your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) straight to get e2 down, look at SBHG and drive it lower and you'll see improvement. Your test will go up, but ur prob like me that it won't hit your optimal range at 200mg/week.

DeusMalo,

What are the methods to drive SBHG lower?

thanks

 

[DeusMalo]

DeusMalo,

What are the methods to drive SBHG lower?

thanks

the way I was introduced to drop SBHG lower was by Chip - I took stanozolol daily for a few weeks then leveled at 50mg e5d. Unfortunately, the FDA removed stan from approved list as a prescription a month or two ago so it's no longer available anywhere (seeing a lot of folks on forums out there scratching their heads what to do now). Stan taken orally, seems to be recognized as one of the best ways to do it.

Now it looks like Danazol is what folks are trying as a replacement. I don't know much about it but getting refills from Maximus w/in a week including Danazol so we'll see how it goes.

Others may know of different ways to reduce SBHG (or I should say reducing its ability to bind with test), but the stan has been so effective for me that I hadn't really looked any further. I've read nettle root can help (no experience with it).

 

[leadoff2]

Was on 200mg/week of Test E for 4 months and level went from 197 to 433. Went up to 400mg/week and 2 months later levels were up to 686. Huge difference in 686 as opposed to 433... can't wait to hit 1000. Might take me 600mg/week to hit that mark!

 

[Packgus]

wow 600mg/week is like what the guys do on steriod cycle!

 

[ecdysone]

wow 600mg/week is like what the guys do on steriod cycle!

+1

From the studies I have read, you can roughly calculate the corresponding blood level by multiplying the weekly dose X5. So 600 mg/week X 5 = 3000 ng/dL!

 

[cash]

Get your bloodwork done the day before your shot. The next time the day after the shot. You might be fluxuating a lot and need less mgs but more often

 

[DeusMalo]

the way I was introduced to drop SBHG lower was by Chip - I took stanozolol daily for a few weeks then leveled at 50mg e5d. Unfortunately, the FDA removed stan from approved list as a prescription a month or two ago so it's no longer available anywhere (seeing a lot of folks on forums out there scratching their heads what to do now). Stan taken orally, seems to be recognized as one of the best ways to do it.

Now it looks like Danazol is what folks are trying as a replacement. I don't know much about it but getting refills from Maximus w/in a week including Danazol so we'll see how it goes.

Others may know of different ways to reduce SBHG (or I should say reducing its ability to bind with test), but the stan has been so effective for me that I hadn't really looked any further. I've read nettle root can help (no experience with it).

Not sure why I didn't mention it, but obviously get test and e2 levels dialed in first - sbhg tends to follow - getting sbhg to optimal may take tweaking such as I put above... I was way outta whack and I have spent a lot of time dialing to optimal - good isn't good enough for me.

 

[DeusMalo]

+1

From the studies I have read, you can roughly calculate the corresponding blood level by multiplying the weekly dose X5. So 600 mg/week X 5 = 3000 ng/dL!

Never read or heard of this and I've read and researched the hell outta testosterone... And it simply doesn't work---pretty much "at all"- not even close as a rough guideline. Do you have references to the studies?

 

[ecdysone]

One study I like is: "Testosterone dose-response relationship in healthy young men,: Am. J. Physiolog. Endr. Met, 2001, which shows closer to 4.5X, but the subject's natural test was totally suppressed for the study. Another good one is: "Effects of Supraphysiologic Doses of Testosterone on Muscle...," New England J. Med., 1996 - showing a weekly dose of 600mg producing something >3000 ng/dL.

Obviously, the exact level depends on many factors, not the least of which, is how much your natural production is suppressed. The higher doses are a little easier to predict since endogenous production is nearly totally suppressed.

If you have studies showing something opposite, would be interested in reading them.

 

[diesel1980]

Seems family doctors have no idea about TRT

 

[Stagman]

I'm on Sustanon 250 E2W, and feel like shite.

Just got some bloods done, so will see where I am re T/E2/SHBG.

This is my plan:

1) Inject 2 x per week, instead of E2W;

2) Keep a close eye on E2/SHBG and HCT, as well as the other main lvls;

3) Replace Sustanon with testosterone cypionate. Also, will look to inject more per week, say 150mg then maybe ramp it up to 200mg.

4) Get onto HCG. Make sure to keep an eye on E2.

I may have to travel to the EU (I'm in the UK), to get hold of the stuff. I'm under a doc atm, but may have to go it alone.