Hey guys....im looking for some advice from people who know their gear..and have ben using them for a while.....ive ben working out about 3 years straight...with a good 3 or 4 week rest every while i feel like i need it... and when i first started working out i was about 155 pounds and now i am currently weighing in at 187 pounds... im 5'11 and 1/4th... but i aint seeing any results and ive tried almost everything... i have a healthy nutrition 6 meals a day...get my daily protiens and carbs...i get my rest days...and ive tried almost every supp out their that seems legit..but still nothing...i also change my workouts up for ever muscle every week....and i still feel like im not gaining the way i want t be gaining....so im thinking of taking Steroids...i just dont know what to take and what PCT to do afterwards....anybody think they cud help me please?
Advice for Beginner Steroid Use
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glubgawd
More Noob Than You
Are you afraid of fat? Your problem isn't a need for steroids, it's a lack of calories. At 5'11 and 187lbs you're still a pretty skinny dude. I don't care what you think your genetics are - eat more and you'll grow more.
Just cuz you're eating 6 meals a day doesn't mean you're getting enough calories.
im not afraid of fat...and tat all i hear is eat more...i eat a shit load...the shit load i eat,, has alot of cars protiens and calories...but i seem to not gain from it..and this is diet of ben following for a while now...what wud u say the problem is? cuz if ur ganna tell me to eat more then im probably ganna end up puking...i eat enough plus i dont wanna extra protien and and carbs that my body cant intake.
glubgawd
More Noob Than You
That's exactly the problem.
glubgawd
More Noob Than You
Also, this is like 95% bullshit. You don't eat as much as you think you do. How do I know? cuz you're still tiny
if you're gonna be a whiny little girl about eating more - steroids aren't for you. You still need to eat more if you want to make and KEEP gains on steroids.
20...and glubgawd...give me an example of eating more..cuz if u ganna give me that advice i might wanna use it but i dont know what u mean by eating more cuz i belive i eat alot...maybe i cud eat more of something i dont eat alot of maybe im missing something in my diet..give me something bro
iwant2bshredded
New member
How many calories a day are you eating to start? Did I read that right? Your 20?? and cant grow??? Cmoooooonnnn. Check in wiht 3J in the diet forum & he will get you as big as a horse (or RJ if you like!!!).
glubgawd
More Noob Than You
damn bro, your age is just making things worse.
Anyways, I don't mind helping you adjust your diet. If you post up your current diet in the diet section, I'll comment on it there. Also, 3J (the diet mod) is amazing at handing out advice in that department.
If you're just eating maintenance calories, you'd be amazed at how much of a difference even eating an extra PB+J or 2 can make.
Giving you an example of what I eat wouldn't help you very much....I literally weigh almost twice as much as you do.
rocko3927
Known SCAMMER
maybe glub said that because you didn't mention fats. just proteins and carbs. a good day of eats... 5 am. breakfast shake, 7am. 8 whole eggs, peanutbutter toast, oatmeal and some turky sausage, 10am. chicken breast rice and veggies, 1 pm. lunch 2 hamburgers that you make and some chips or fries, 4pm. afternoon snack protein bar or a shake. train 7pm. 16oz. ribeye potatoes and veggies. 2 am.middle of the nightnack what ever protein you can grab in the fridge. a shake will do. that's night a model you perfect diet but it's a realistic day of eating when i am trying to gain. 4000 to 6000 cal. 20 is a little young to start using gear. are you eating a diet anywhere close to this and please keep it real.
Glub and Rocko.... my diet was similar
7am-bowl of oatmeal, 6 egg whites 1 whole with 1 teaspoon oh honey
8-830am-shake
lunch time-2 large chicken breasts veggies, and rice
1pm-tuna salad
2pm-gym time
after gym-shake
dinner 2 large stakes veggies and rice
and sometimes a shake before bed if im really hungry or something with some good protien
7am-bowl of oatmeal, 6 egg whites 1 whole with 1 teaspoon oh honey
8-830am-shake
lunch time-2 large chicken breasts veggies, and rice
1pm-tuna salad
2pm-gym time
after gym-shake
dinner 2 large stakes veggies and rice
and sometimes a shake before bed if im really hungry or something with some good protien
rocko3927
Known SCAMMER
a couple of alerts here. one you say this is what i was eating. it may have been a typo but if not you gotta keep that up for a while. imo your to young to say you have reached your natty potential. before gear please consider committing to that diet, don't forget about the midnight snacks, and try different training methods. i promise when your my age you won't regret holding off a couple more years. and i am talking to you like i would a good friend. let your body finishing developing before you start messing with your endocrine system. i grew almost 2 inches after i graduated from highschool to twenty one. nand the other alert was you eating stakes for dinner. i don't think there is any nutritional value in wood. not much.. you should try more chicken, fish, or a good ribeye steak...
glubgawd
More Noob Than You
This isn't very much food.
Try something more along these lines:
7am-bowl of oatmeal, 3 egg whites 3 whole with 1 teaspoon oh honey, glass of whole milk
8-830am- 2 whole wheat bagels with peanut (or almond) butter and jelly (don't get the overly sugary stuff). You could use honey + bananas instead of the jelly if you don't find a good one. Throw milk in there too
lunch time-2 large chicken breasts veggies, and rice.
1pm - Steak (or chicken in which case you should also add peanut/almond butter) with potato and spinach
2pm-gym time
after gym-shake: This doesn't count as a meal.
You need AT LEAST 1 meal in here unless you're going to bed around 4pm. I'd recommend you make it 2 meals of something along the lines of chicken (or ground beef) in whole wheat pasta
dinner steak veggies and rice
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My first Experience.
Hey,
So I did my first cycle about 8 months ago and it lasted about 2 months and I had great results. My cycle included GP Test enath 250, and PG Tren enanth 200. When I started I was doing an equal amount of each starting my cycle at 0.25ml of both equal 0.5ml for the first week and then slowly worked my way up to the peak of 1.5ml and then worked my way back down to 0.5ml combined. The reason I used this is because I am a small framed guy as well and wanted that extra push to beef up. I was able to gain 15 pounds which resulted in my best lifting ever. I had worked out for many years before and hit a wall. This was able to push me to the next level. I would recommend when choosing your cycle to chose a mild cycle for example what I chose to do. This has mim side effects with great results. Caution Before you do a cycle try to research what you are doing before you start. Know what you need to do, the supplies you need and how to maintain yourself. Overall if done safe you will see great results. Please feel free to ask questions.! Thank you HEADS for the greats Products.
Hey,
So I did my first cycle about 8 months ago and it lasted about 2 months and I had great results. My cycle included GP Test enath 250, and PG Tren enanth 200. When I started I was doing an equal amount of each starting my cycle at 0.25ml of both equal 0.5ml for the first week and then slowly worked my way up to the peak of 1.5ml and then worked my way back down to 0.5ml combined. The reason I used this is because I am a small framed guy as well and wanted that extra push to beef up. I was able to gain 15 pounds which resulted in my best lifting ever. I had worked out for many years before and hit a wall. This was able to push me to the next level. I would recommend when choosing your cycle to chose a mild cycle for example what I chose to do. This has mim side effects with great results. Caution Before you do a cycle try to research what you are doing before you start. Know what you need to do, the supplies you need and how to maintain yourself. Overall if done safe you will see great results. Please feel free to ask questions.! Thank you HEADS for the greats Products.
I know this is an old post but I wanted to chime in here with some knowledge I have gained from personal experience.
I am 290 lbs, and I barely eat 1800 calories/day..In fact i struggle to eat that much.. So to say he is not eating enough is probably not the correct thing.. I know a few people who can eat whatever they want, as much as they want and they gain zero weight or fat.. I think they have very high metabolism, everyone is different.. All our hormones are functioning either at peak, or off peak which will cause various side effects whether good or bad.. In my experience if you wanna gain weight you need amino acids and pasta/breads/eggs.. Why anyone would want to do this to themselves is beyond me.. I would personally rather be 186 pounds than 290.. I should mention I don't take steroids but started on androgel for low T.. I actually came here to see how steroid users were controlling this estradiol issue associated with synthetic T but google brought me right to this post so I felt like replying.
The other thing I wanted to mention, in case someone is interested in starting steroids because they have low gains etc..
This absolutely works and is not psycho-semantics..
I should mention I am wildly out of shape now at 37 because of spondylolisthesis, which is a broken back basically but i can limp around good enough to get around.. I started on androgel and began lifting light weights last month..
Its been my personal experience that vitamin D taken in large doses 10,000 iu to 15,000 iu daily... along with a 1 zinc tablet/day and vitamin C around 2000/day.. is basically like the best natural steroid you can take.. These 2-3 supplements have drastic effects on increasing testosterone and keeping estradiol in check..
I honestly think there is an epidemic of low T males out there starting at 22.. 40 is no longer the age where a mans T levels start declining... We have basically been poisoned by something called BPA.. Or bisphenol A... Here is what wiki says about BPA...
"BPA exhibits estrogen mimicking, hormone-like properties that raise concern about its suitability in some consumer products and food containers. Since 2008, several governments have investigated its safety, which prompted some retailers to withdraw polycarbonate products. The FDA has ended its authorization of the use of BPA in baby bottles and infant formula packaging, based on market abandonment, not safety.[4] The European Union and Canada have banned BPA use in baby bottles."
They have been using BPA since the 60s.. Which means when we were suckling on our momma's teet, we were ingesting it, and have been since birth.. Its only been the last 20 years, but mainly the last 10 years that we have seen this "gender identity crisis" or transgender stuff pop into MSM..
I believe there is a direct correlation to excessive ingestion of BPA and this epidemic.. I believe its being covered up by big pharma because high estrogen in males causes a whole host of symptoms where they can prescribe anti-depresents, anxiety meds, sleeping aids, pain killers, blood pressure meds, metformin-diabetes meds.. It also effects women the same way because high estrogen in women have the same effect as low/high estrogen in males.. It needs to be balanced near perfectly.. You guys have no idea how nasty this female hormone is in men.. We only need a very small amount of it to maintain bone and skin.. If we go over a certain level I think its 30-40 ng/dl or under 15ng/dl , that is when obesity starts settling in, then our testosterone aromtases into more estradiol and its like the ninth circle of hell for men... Its just a vicious circle of symptoms and meds, symptoms and meds.. getting worse etc.. Till you track it down to this hormone imbalance.. Then once corrected, well, we've all seen the before and after pics of what happens to guys who get treated with low T by a competent doctor who manages their estradiol and other levels properly... The results can be nothing short of amazing..
Anyways, that was a bit off topic but pertinent to this discussion.
I am 290 lbs, and I barely eat 1800 calories/day..In fact i struggle to eat that much.. So to say he is not eating enough is probably not the correct thing.. I know a few people who can eat whatever they want, as much as they want and they gain zero weight or fat.. I think they have very high metabolism, everyone is different.. All our hormones are functioning either at peak, or off peak which will cause various side effects whether good or bad.. In my experience if you wanna gain weight you need amino acids and pasta/breads/eggs.. Why anyone would want to do this to themselves is beyond me.. I would personally rather be 186 pounds than 290.. I should mention I don't take steroids but started on androgel for low T.. I actually came here to see how steroid users were controlling this estradiol issue associated with synthetic T but google brought me right to this post so I felt like replying.
The other thing I wanted to mention, in case someone is interested in starting steroids because they have low gains etc..
This absolutely works and is not psycho-semantics..
I should mention I am wildly out of shape now at 37 because of spondylolisthesis, which is a broken back basically but i can limp around good enough to get around.. I started on androgel and began lifting light weights last month..
Its been my personal experience that vitamin D taken in large doses 10,000 iu to 15,000 iu daily... along with a 1 zinc tablet/day and vitamin C around 2000/day.. is basically like the best natural steroid you can take.. These 2-3 supplements have drastic effects on increasing testosterone and keeping estradiol in check..
I honestly think there is an epidemic of low T males out there starting at 22.. 40 is no longer the age where a mans T levels start declining... We have basically been poisoned by something called BPA.. Or bisphenol A... Here is what wiki says about BPA...
"BPA exhibits estrogen mimicking, hormone-like properties that raise concern about its suitability in some consumer products and food containers. Since 2008, several governments have investigated its safety, which prompted some retailers to withdraw polycarbonate products. The FDA has ended its authorization of the use of BPA in baby bottles and infant formula packaging, based on market abandonment, not safety.[4] The European Union and Canada have banned BPA use in baby bottles."
They have been using BPA since the 60s.. Which means when we were suckling on our momma's teet, we were ingesting it, and have been since birth.. Its only been the last 20 years, but mainly the last 10 years that we have seen this "gender identity crisis" or transgender stuff pop into MSM..
I believe there is a direct correlation to excessive ingestion of BPA and this epidemic.. I believe its being covered up by big pharma because high estrogen in males causes a whole host of symptoms where they can prescribe anti-depresents, anxiety meds, sleeping aids, pain killers, blood pressure meds, metformin-diabetes meds.. It also effects women the same way because high estrogen in women have the same effect as low/high estrogen in males.. It needs to be balanced near perfectly.. You guys have no idea how nasty this female hormone is in men.. We only need a very small amount of it to maintain bone and skin.. If we go over a certain level I think its 30-40 ng/dl or under 15ng/dl , that is when obesity starts settling in, then our testosterone aromtases into more estradiol and its like the ninth circle of hell for men... Its just a vicious circle of symptoms and meds, symptoms and meds.. getting worse etc.. Till you track it down to this hormone imbalance.. Then once corrected, well, we've all seen the before and after pics of what happens to guys who get treated with low T by a competent doctor who manages their estradiol and other levels properly... The results can be nothing short of amazing..
Anyways, that was a bit off topic but pertinent to this discussion.
