advice on first cycle, 6' 200lb 18% 35y/o

aveidt

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Hi - I am 35, 6'0", 200lb, 18%. About 2 years ago i began lifting seriously after years of running. I started at 170lb and about 12 months later i was at 230. I went from squat/bench/dl of seriously like 120/120/95 to 300/230/375.

My linear gains stopped at around 250/210/350. I tried various means and eked out some gains. Ultimately I saw I had gotten bigger and stronger, but still had a giant spare tire. I did alot of running, tried different kinds of workouts that were shorter rest, higher rep type stuff. I got alot weaker (I don't know what my 1rms are anymore but If I had to guess I would say 225/185/315)., Lost a fair amount of flab, but I still have alot of flab around the middle and man boobs.

I've never had a good body, i ran religiously for years and even at 150 lb I still had boobs and a spare tire. I have always been uncoordinated, slow, and weak. I was kind of stunned that at 33 I was able to get as strong as I got.

I'd like to get a little bigger, but the size i was at at 230 was fine. My main concern is i want to shed the spare tire (yes, I know, I'm 35 - but i've had this forever and NOTHING works).

Currently I'm doing about 3200 calories a day and 300g protein, since I am lifting pretty heavily again.

The more typical stacks I read about are like 400-500 test, with a Novladex PCT. My understanding is that this will make me bigger and stronger, but not tighter/leaner. Should I do something like this first and then do a cutting cycle a few months afterward? Is there some variation on the typical beginner cycle that someone would recommend?

I want to max out on my linear strength gains (hopefully near previous 1rm highs) before I try anything like this, but I figure the sooner I start researching and learning, the better. Based on my past experience, I will probably make gains for a few months before stalling again.
 
your diet will dictate your results
test only will do just fine to lean you up

make sure u research Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and aromasin
run em both on cycle
aromasin 12.5mg-25mg ed
hcg 250iu 2x a week starting from week 3

theres no doubt i leaned up this last cycle, even while taking dbol and test
 
your diet will dictate your results
test only will do just fine to lean you up

make sure u research Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and aromasin
run em both on cycle
aromasin 12.5mg-25mg ed
hcg 250iu 2x a week starting from week 3

theres no doubt i leaned up this last cycle, even while taking dbol and test

Sorry to hijack but,

5x10, would you suggest Arimidex in place of Aromasin? I know hte drug profile but im looking for personal experience if u have used Arimidex.

tnx
 
Perfect advice by 5x10. Test only 500mg a week. Diet dictates gains and you will easily gain from test only but if trying to lean out, adjust your diet. I bet if you got with 3J and his nutrition plan you would get the desired look. He takes the guessing out of it. Best of luck.
 
Sorry to hijack but,

5x10, would you suggest Arimidex in place of Aromasin? I know hte drug profile but im looking for personal experience if u have used Arimidex.

tnx

sorry, never used arimidex
1st time using aromasin this cycle
 
Thanks for the feedback. some follow up qs:

are you describing something like this:

Weeks 1-2
500 Test (2 weekly @250)
aromasin 12.5mg-25mg ed

Weeks 3-10
500 Test (2 weekly @250)
aromasin 12.5mg-25mg
500 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ( 2 weekly @250)

Weeks 11-12
off

weeks 13-14
Novladex 40mg e/d

weeks 15-18
Novladex 20mg e/d


I assume 3J's nutrition plan can be found somewhere on this site, i'll take a look.
 
Thanks for the feedback. some follow up qs:

are you describing something like this:

Weeks 1-2
500 Test (2 weekly @250)
aromasin 12.5mg-25mg ed

Weeks 3-10
500 Test (2 weekly @250)
aromasin 12.5mg-25mg
500 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ( 2 weekly @250)

Weeks 11-12
off

weeks 13-14
Novladex 40mg e/d

weeks 15-18
Novladex 20mg e/d


I assume 3J's nutrition plan can be found somewhere on this site, i'll take a look.

thats it, and im not sure about 3js diet plan

of course u want to maximize your gains with diet but, this study
Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men
shows that men who didnt workout or diet lost bodyfat, on both 300 and 600mgs of test e a week
 
great link.

i've been doing 3200 cals and 300g protein, i know from experience that will get me bigger and stronger. I guess I will roll with that (unless someone suggests strongly otherwise) and see how it works.

thanks for your feedback. obviously, anything anyone else wants to add, I will be eager to listen.
 
one more question

what happens if say week 2 i feel gyno coming on - what do i add to counter that and how does it affect the rest of my cycle?

I just want to make sure I'm prepared for all the contingencies.
 
what happens if say week 2 i feel gyno coming on - what do i add to counter that and how does it affect the rest of my cycle?

I just want to make sure I'm prepared for all the contingencies.

probably wont happen with the aromasin but have some nolva on hand
that will prevent the estrogen from binding to the receptors in your nipples
 
Ok - so should that happen, how much nolva do i take, and do i continue the cycle as planned and then ramp up the nolva for the post cycle therapy (pct) phase? Thanks again for all your feedback.
 
i can't find aromasin anywhere. if anyone could recommend a more easily obtainable substitute, i would appreciate it.

Also, the test at 250 2x/week - wouldn't the frequency depend on enth vs. prop - i have read that enth is better for more general use, vs. like competitive bodybuilding.
 
Thanks for the feedback. some follow up qs:

are you describing something like this:

Weeks 1-2
500 Test (2 weekly @250)
aromasin 12.5mg-25mg ed

Weeks 3-10
500 Test (2 weekly @250)
aromasin 12.5mg-25mg
500 HCG ( 2 weekly @250)

Weeks 11-12
off

weeks 13-14
Novladex 40mg e/d

weeks 15-18
Novladex 20mg e/d


I assume 3J's nutrition plan can be found somewhere on this site, i'll take a look.

come into the diet section bud.. we'll fix u right up
 
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