advise please!! Safe anabolics for females, besides var???

[K2theMac]

Hey guys, I've gone through a few var cycles and I got decent rresults. I'm looking to see if anyone has had any personal experience, or knows a female that has, with any other gear (oral or oils) that will not lead to any side effects; ie growing a beard or worse.....8===D. Hoping to step it up a notch this cycle, but I've had no experience with other gear. Any personal experience info is greatly appreciated! Thanks

 

[halfwit]

Winstrol (oral) and primobolan (injectable) are two off the top of my head. The key is finding compounds with a very low androgenic rating. Ex: Winstrol has an AA rating of 320/20. This means it's three times more anabolic than testosterone, but only 1/5 as androgenic (which is what you need to worry about).

My .02c

Edit: Wanted to clarify that while the AA system is a little flawed, I've yet to see any results contrary to the numbers.

 

[Megatron28]

Winstrol (oral) and primobolan (injectable) are two off the top of my head. The key is finding compounds with a very low androgenic rating. Ex: Winstrol has an AA rating of 320/20. This means it's three times more anabolic than testosterone, but only 1/5 as androgenic (which is what you need to worry about).

My .02c

If memory serves, Zilla had said that women he trains have had good results with Superdrol. But confirm that before taking it. My memory may be faulty

 

[K2theMac]

From what I've heard (only word of mouth) even though Winnie has a relatively low antigenic:anabolic rating, I've heard that hair growth and vocal chord thickening is common. Now primobolan I will definitely looking into, that's one I have not heard or read much about. Thanks for the tips, it's always better to get advise from real people VS stats and grapevine-type info. Much appreciated!

 

[K2theMac]

*Androgenic.....my auto c is fucking retarded :')

 

[K2theMac]

Superdrol? That's a new one to me. I'm assuming it's an injectable, which I have no problem with. That's something I will def be checking out. Always appreciate the advice, thanks Megatron

 

[K2theMac]

I understand, I'm very familiar w the rating system, but I've been natty in the fitness industry 4 a decade & only started cycling var approx 2 years ago. So what I know from technical vs practical knowledge seems a bit off from what I've heard so it has made me more unsure about the #s/stats VS real life. So once again, thanx for the feedback Mr I Love turtles

 

[halfwit]

Haha, my pleasure. I totally understand how difficult it can be as there are so many in the industry that have no clue what works for women. Superdrol is also an oral, which would really surprise me as it's the methylated form of masteron.

Hopefully Zilla can pop in here and give his two pennies.

 

[weavy88]

Nandrolone would be my first choice in this case

 

[jozifp103]

Recently I've been reading up on Tbol for females. It appears to be very well tolerated due to it's 0 androgenic rating.

 

[inhaus]

just curious, are insulin and hgh commonly used by women?

 

[halfwit]

just curious, are insulin and hgh commonly used by women?

HGH is great for both sexes, and I do know a few gals on it that compete. Not sure about insulin though, as that's mostly used to aid with large caloric surpluses and getting the most from them.

That a typo joz? I don't think there's such thing as AAS with zero androgenic properties, but I could be wrong...

 

[PresTex]

From what I've read Tbol has a rating of 54:6. But I've seen a couple people say it has an androgenic rating of 0. Either way it seems like a good option for women.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

I'll echo HW's recommendation of Primo at anywhere from 10-50mg/week starting on the low side to assess sides and increase if necessary.
Be aware that primo takes a while to get going, give it at least 12-16 weeks.

Mega's memory is indeed faulty - I've had women gain great results from anadrol, not superdrol
I've personally not seen any women get negative sides from anadrol at 25mg/day and its superior to almost anything else women can use for muscle growth IMO.

I think tbol would be a complete waste of money since it wont give better results than var...so unless your looking for a different drug just out of boredom or whatever, I'd avoid it.
I'm also not a fan of winny because I've seen women get bad sides even at very low doses - its too individual specific whether you'll do well or not on it.

 

[Milton]

just curious, are insulin and hgh commonly used by women?

of course.

 

[SJC]

I'll echo HW's recommendation of Primo at anywhere from 10-50mg/week starting on the low side to assess sides and increase if necessary.
Be aware that primo takes a while to get going, give it at least 12-16 weeks.

Mega's memory is indeed faulty - I've had women gain great results from anadrol, not superdrol
I've personally not seen any women get negative sides from anadrol at 25mg/day and its superior to almost anything else women can use for muscle growth IMO.

I think tbol would be a complete waste of money since it wont give better results than var...so unless your looking for a different drug just out of boredom or whatever, I'd avoid it.
I'm also not a fan of winny because I've seen women get bad sides even at very low doses - its too individual specific whether you'll do well or not on it.

Why would Anadrol be good for women and not Dbol? I know Anadrol is a great mass builder for men too but keep hearing people saying Var can be faked with dbol which is bad for women.

 

[kataklysum]

Tbol is in my opinion the best oral for a female. My girl loves the shit and the size she's put on over 2 cycles is amaising. Her quads are bigger then most guys. Squats 100kgs deep piece of piss.

She can run tbol at 50mg a day with no sides at all. Could probably go higher but there's no point with the results she gets at 50mg.

She can only handle var at 20mg a day before her voice starts cracking and sounding like she's got a sore throat.

I dare say she could go up to 75mg a day of tbol without sides. Tbols an incredible drug for females.

 

[inhaus]

my wife is lean and jacked naturally and I think she'd be an amazing competitor, but I'm terrified of virilization as a possibility. She already has a deeper voice for a lady, broad shoulders, very muscular but still feminine, but I definitely don't want to push that line at all... Mostly I would be worried about fake orals that are substituted with compounds that would be dangerous for a woman and she'd turn in to a man or something. definitely an interesting topic though.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Why would Anadrol be good for women and not Dbol? I know Anadrol is a great mass builder for men too but keep hearing people saying Var can be faked with dbol which is bad for women.

Short answer:
Anadrol is better for women but without relocating the data I'm not completely certain as to why.

Long answer:
The studies show virilization side effects from as little as 5mg per day Dbol, so its undeniably too androgenic and why women shouldn't be taking it for the most part.
I'll add that I know a few women that are Olympic weightlifting hopefuls and do take Dbol - the hair growth is there, the changes in jaw line are there, the oily skin is there, the acne is there, etc.
Now consider that var is usually taken at around 10mg per day and you'll understand why faking it with dbol is such a bitch ass move by UGLs. Your playing around with a woman's identity to save a few bucks on powders...fuck you

Now anadrol on the other hand has been given to women at doses up to 50mg (minimum to improve RBC) with minimal virilisation issues in medical studies. It also has much more estrogenic activity, (due to estrogen receptor activation, not conversion to estrogen per se) which is a GOOD thing for women & muscle growth from a nutrient partitioning and muscular remodelling perspective in particular.
At 25mg max - I haven't seen any problems.

Why is there such a difference between the 2?
If we look at the ratios:
- Dianabol 90-210: 40-60
- Anadrol 320: 45

Anadrol is more anabolic, more estrogenic (these alone are strong enough reasons to go with anadrol over dbol) and has a similar androgenic profile.
Yet women get more virilisation sides from Dbol...I have no idea why beyond pure speculation regarding the anabolic role of estrogen in women, the ratios (taken from rats) not applying to women, etc.

 

[K2theMac]

That was my concern about Winny, I've heard about some negative sides on low doses. I'm thinking I'm going to hit up some primo after looking into it more. I'll also be reading up on anadrol vs Superdrol, still would like to be a little more schooled on both. Thank you for the help, there is so much conflicting info & misinformation out there, it's awesome to be able to hear from people with first hand experience.Thank you!