anavar cylce - first time

[rds63799]

Hi all,

I have decided to try a cycle of ana Anavar (var) , and I'd like to check and see if what I'm doing seems like the right way to go about things. I'm 26, been training for a few years and weigh 185lbs. Not exactly huge at 5 foot 11 but I used to weigh 130lbs so I'm quite happy with what I've accomplished. Happiest day of my life was getting my BMI to "overweight"

The cycle is going to be ana Anavar (var) only. From what I've read it seems like you make much better gains if you stack it with test, but I'm not too keen on injecting myself, at least not yet. My main reason for not wanting to pin myself is that I'm a pussy and I'm too scared, but also my girlfriend would freak out if she thought I was injecting! And I mean seriously freak out. I'm not ruling it out completely, but I'm not there yet.

Besides, Anavar (var) sounds kinda cool even if it isn't the best for gaining loads of mass. From what I've heard it sounds like it does a really good job of leaning you out and providing good, hard muscle gains (with no water retention or anything). I've also read that I shouldn't expect gains of more than a few pounds but as far as I'm concerned, a few pounds is nothing to sniff at!

I am planning on running 50mg daily for 5 or 6 weeks, so I guess my first question is: does that dose sound about right?

Second question: is that cycle length alright? I'm not averse to taking more or running it for longer if need be.

Third question: For my post cycle therapy (pct) I am planning on running clomid for 3 weeks taking 50mg a day for the first 2 weeks, and then 25mg for the 3rd. Sound ok?

Lastly, are there any sides I should look out for? I tried to do as much research on this as I could but very few resources seem to agree. Some say no sides, others say it'll shut me down hard and make me lose my hair! If anyone has any experience of this then I appreciate the input.

That's it for my questions. Very noob-ish I know, but we all had to start somewhere I guess.

Thanks for reading and I appreciate any help you can give.

Cheers
Bob

 

[park]

Test must be a base of all cycles....please rethink your desicion, cus frankly its dumb!!!

 

[rds63799]

will an anavar only cycle really not do anything? I'd be happy with just a few more pounds and getting all "freaky" ripped.

I don't mean to sound ungrateful for your advice, but injecting isn't a road I want to go down quite yet.

 

[tableshaveturned]

not a good idea to do an oral only cycle...add test in there

 

[Zeek]

Hi Rds

Lets think this over rationally. Anavar is going to shut down your natural testosterone production. What is your girlfriend going to say when you can't get an erection? Also you yourself understand that just a few lbs may come from that cycle. IS it worth shutting down your natural production which may come back impaired upon recovery for a few measly pounds?

If you want help putting together a proper cycle with a good post cycle recovery plan the guys here will go out of their way to help you do this. Let us know

 

[rds63799]

@ table - I understand test will give far greater results, I'm just not willing to start injecting yet. Thanks all the same for the advice.

@ Zeek - That post made me chuckle, and I appreciate your help. I didn't realise that anavar would render me impotent! Are you exaggerating or is that really something I should expect? I had heard it can mess with your libido but impotence is a whole other animal. I thought if my PCT was ok then I didn't have to worry about any lasting impairment?

I really do appreciate all this help by the way, and I'm sorry if my refusal to inject is making me come across as stubborn or ungrateful

 

[DADAWG]

@ table - I understand test will give far greater results, I'm just not willing to start injecting yet. Thanks all the same for the advice.

@ Zeek - That post made me chuckle, and I appreciate your help. I didn't realise that anavar would render me impotent! Are you exaggerating or is that really something I should expect? I had heard it can mess with your libido but impotence is a whole other animal. I thought if my post cycle therapy (pct) was ok then I didn't have to worry about any lasting impairment?

I really do appreciate all this help by the way, and I'm sorry if my refusal to inject is making me come across as stubborn or ungrateful

if your truly not being stubborn then read and pat attention to this thread

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/598646-oral-cycles.htmly

 

[Zeek]

RDS any time you shut down your natural test production you run a risk that you will not get back to your previous natural levels. post cycle therapy (pct) is not a guarantee but it is the best option available to us.

The cycle you propose can surely make you impotent while you are shut down and then during the time it takes your body to start producing testosterone again.

Read the thread DADAWG linked and think it over carefully.

 

[rds63799]

I had a read of the thread guys, gave me some food for thought. It's a little frustrating that there's so much conflicting info.

On the one hand I keep reading all over the place that a Anavar (var) only cycle, although weak, will provide a few pounds of gains (which, frankly, would be enough for me. I'm lean enough for that to make a pretty big difference), and make me all ripped and awesome. People say that it's so weak you won't even necessarily need a PCT, but it's best to run some clomid for 3 weeks or so after just to be on the safe side. There's no danger of hair loss either supposedly. The other supposed benefit of a Anavar (var) only cycle is you'll keep all your gains because the weight you put on isn't just water weight.

Then of course there's others, including yourselves, who say it's all just a waste of time and'll ruin my balls for no benefit whatsoever!

It all seems to depend entirely on the source. The more hardcore seeming sites say not to bother, but others say to fill your boots, just not to expect more than 5lbs or so of gains (although I'm sure there's no way anyone could say for sure how much anyone could gain on any cycle, what with differences in diet, training age etc.).

It's a confusing time to be me just now. Side effects are a big concern to me (especially hair loss) and that was my main reason for wanting to do Anavar (var) only, but now I'm not so sure.

 

[park]

Wasn't trying to come off as a dick, its just these same threads POP up everyday. If you're looking for a few lbs why not hit up 3j in the diet section? I bet he will get you where you want to be the safe way and cheaper.

 

[rds63799]

you didn't come across as a dick mate, far from it. I post on other forums (about things I actually know about! I'm only a dumbass when it comes to steroids) and you're right it is frustrating to answer the same old questions all the time.

It's just hard as hell to get a definitive answer. Everyone says something different. I guess it just comes down to whether or not I think the risk:reward makes sense.

 

[rocko3927]

it's amazing how many never read stickys. or just assume an anavar only cycle is cool cuz your to much of a pussy to pin. and park is right learn to eat big and clean. just the fact you choose this as a cycle speeks volume of your knowledge and understanding of aas. i would research and rethink this if i were you.imo

 

[rds63799]

um, I read the sticky I was referred to, and I've admitted the whole way through I have no knowledge or understanding of AAS, which is kinda the reason I asked the question. But at least I can spell and don't type like an idiot, so it's not all a loss.

But thanks for the response anyway, you have yourself a super day.

 

[Zeek]

you didn't come across as a dick mate, far from it. I post on other forums (about things I actually know about! I'm only a dumbass when it comes to steroids) and you're right it is frustrating to answer the same old questions all the time.

It's just hard as hell to get a definitive answer. Everyone says something different. I guess it just comes down to whether or not I think the risk:reward makes sense.

We are just trying to look out for you RDS. If we didn't give a shit we would just tell you to run it at 100mg per day and enjoy the 5-6 lb gain that will come from it.

I see the same guys answering the same questions over and over. DADAWG has to honestly answer the same question at least twice every day. They do this for your benefit and for others who need the help to make a smart choice.

Anavar is really not a steroid to run on it's own for men. For women it works fine though

Anavar compliments a cycle in that it will "dry out" your gains and increase strength as well as make you more vascular. I'm a fan of Anavar, one of the few on this site actually

A needle doesn't hurt at all and it is more a mental barrier. You will laugh after your first poke and wonder why you were ever concerned with this.

Look into a low dose test only cycle. You will gain some quality muscle and can cut as well, this will be dictated by your diet and cardio. Your sex drive and performance will be off the charts and your girlfriend will love you more

 

[rds63799]

I hear ya Zeek, and I very much appreciate the advice. I didn't realise a Anavar (var) only cycle was such a taboo!

Could you please direct me to a decent resource giving the potential benefits and side effects of a low dose test cycle? (I really am very worried about losing my hair...)

If I were to get some test, is it worthwhile having the ana Anavar (var) along with it? I really like the sound of what ana Anavar (var) supposedly does.

And my girlfriend loves me loads mate, there's no worries there haha!

The thing that scares me about needles is whether I did it wrong and if that could fuck me up...

 

[Zeek]

I hear ya Zeek, and I very much appreciate the advice. I didn't realise a Anavar (var) only cycle was such a taboo!

Could you please direct me to a decent resource giving the potential benefits and side effects of a low dose test cycle? (I really am very worried about losing my hair...)

If I were to get some test, is it worthwhile having the ana Anavar (var) along with it? I really like the sound of what ana Anavar (var) supposedly does.

And my girlfriend loves me loads mate, there's no worries there haha!

The thing that scares me about needles is whether I did it wrong and if that could fuck me up...

Unless you inject into your neck or eyeball there is really no chance of major problems happening from a sterile injection ( Yes I am being dramatic). Notice I say sterile, you have to wipe the area down with alcohol and keep everything clean. Piece of cake really. You are basically injecting a small needle into a large muscle group..the only thing you even remotely feel is the pricking of the skin.

There are things you can take with the test to keep the water weight off and in turn you will see dry, lean gains. Also diet and cardio play their roles here but I believe you have a good understanding of that.

Here is what most will advise for you,

Test weeks 1-12 500 mg per week, use test E.

2 weeks after your last test E shot start post cycle therapy (pct).

Run post cycle therapy (pct) for a total of 4 weeks

50mg clomid ed for 4 weeks
40mg nolva for 2 weeks and 20 mg nolva for the last 2 weeks.

This is the safest and best thing you can run for a first cycle. You will need to read up on anti E's, HCG as well to use on cycle to maintain testicular size and make post cycle therapy (pct) that much smoother.

Read the stickys then feel free to ask any questions you need help with. We are glad to help you down the right path!

 

[rds63799]

ok ok, so how about I run 250mg a week of test for 8 weeks, with a cheeky 50mg of anavar every day thrown in for good measure? The reason I'm so keen to take anavar is I've already ordered some. (I'm an idiot, I know...)

If I did this, would clomid work ok for a post cycle therapy (pct)? I think it is all I have access to. Would 50/50/25/25 suffice?

I would also appreciate a link to a resource on the potential side effects of this kind of stack if anyone knows a good one.

Thank you for your patience with the mega-noob! It may not seem like it but I really am taking all of your advice very seriously.

 

[rds63799]

ah I see we are online at the same time Zeek, give me a second to read and respond to that last post of yours...

 

[Zeek]

ok ok, so how about I run 250mg a week of test for 8 weeks, with a cheeky 50mg of anavar every day thrown in for good measure? The reason I'm so keen to take anavar is I've already ordered some. (I'm an idiot, I know...)

If I did this, would clomid work ok for a post cycle therapy (pct)? I think it is all I have access to. Would 50/50/25/25 suffice?

I would also appreciate a link to a resource on the potential side effects of this kind of stack if anyone knows a good one.

Thank you for your patience with the mega-noob! It may not seem like it but I really am taking all of your advice very seriously.

You can get nolva from our site sponsors here. GWP has some really cheap and the others do also. It is legal ( for research purposes)

Don't skimp on PCT brother! It is the most important part of your cycle. If you don't recover quickly you will lose gains! You can also get the anti estrogens from the research companies.

Side effects of testosterone, you can google that and info will pop up from a bunch of sites. Let me tell you what the common ones are.

High blood pressure ( from water retention)
Higher hemocrit (thicker blood)
Constant boners <chuckle>
Thinning of the hair ( I've been shooting test for decades on and off and still have a full thick head of hair) If you are prone to male pattern baldness it will speed it up while you are on cycle.

I'm sure the guys can add some things

I'll touch on the anavar later, need to finish dinner

 

[rds63799]

Unless you inject into your neck or eyeball there is really no chance of major problems happening from a sterile injection ( Yes I am being dramatic). Notice I say sterile, you have to wipe the area down with alcohol and keep everything clean. Piece of cake really. You are basically injecting a small needle into a large muscle group..the only thing you even remotely feel is the pricking of the skin.

but the internet horror stories! I thought you could hit a vein and cause all kinds of awful problems.

There are things you can take with the test to keep the water weight off and in turn you will see dry, lean gains. Also diet and cardio play their roles here but I believe you have a good understanding of that.

that's good to know, I'm really not keen on the idea of holding loads of water. I like the think my focus is on aesthetics, rather than just size, so a lean, dry physique is my number one priority.

Here is what most will advise for you,

Test weeks 1-12 500 mg per week, use test E.

2 weeks after your last test E shot start PCT.

Run PCT for a total of 4 weeks

50mg clomid ed for 4 weeks
40mg nolva for 2 weeks and 20 mg nolva for the last 2 weeks.

So is an 8 week cycle of 250mg per week with 50mg of anavar no good? And is nolva a must or is clomid ok on its own?

This is the safest and best thing you can run for a first cycle. You will need to read up on anti E's, HCG as well to use on cycle to maintain testicular size and make PCT that much smoother.

Read the stickys then feel free to ask any questions you need help with. We are glad to help you down the right path!

OK, I will do all of those things. I'll read the sticks right now.