ANAVAR..watch this video and comment please..

[Optimal]

Come on I don't know where $800 is coming from but that is silly to pay that regardless of where it comes from. Any decent UGL had 20mg (or so) pills, 60 quantity for under $100...still pricey but no where near 800

That's the whole point of the video, that if the real raw materials are so expensive that pharma grade has to charge $800....
what are the chances that any UGL's offering it at 5% of the price is actually fully dosed? It doesn't make sense, they would be losing money.

Now let's be clear that I'm not saying these guys are doing anything intentionally wrong... everyone wants to keep their customers, after all.
Bios is just pointing out that the math doesn't add up & this scenario doesn't follow common sense.

I'm not here to argue with you for sure, there are 100's of labs and I bet a shit ton cut corners to keep costs down, but there are a few highly touted labs that I believe are every bit as potent as the label says they are.

I don't think it's the "corner cutting" of labs being brought into question, but rather the overseas raw suppliers.

I have no need to try a different lab. My opinions as you call it, I would call my statements conclusions, based on this forums feedback from numerous members personal experiences.

If you haven't tried any others to compare against then how do you have any way of knowing it's not 80% Winstrol (winny)? (Not saying it is, just pointing out the fallacy...)
As for other members: how many of those have actually used legit pharma at the same dosing as their UGL gear?

This thread is getting into dangerous territory. You guys may want to consider generalizing and especially, not naming board sponsors.

~removed names from my quoted sections.
I think this is an important discussion, calling out particular groups is not really the point... just doing due diligence in knowing what's actually going into our bodies.

 

[halfwit]

That's the whole point of the video, that if the real raw materials are so expensive that pharma grade has to charge $800....
what are the chances that any UGL's offering it at 5% of the price is actually fully dosed? It doesn't make sense, they would be losing money.

Not to nitpick here, but you do have to remember that pharmacy grade has a HUGE markup on a lot of things. Big pharma is big for a reason.

As for other members: how many of those have actually used legit pharma at the same dosing as their UGL gear?

I have with testosterone cypionate. I honestly have higher values of total test on bloodwork when using UGL product. Not to say that there isn't a lot of fake/underdosed stuff floating out around, but I still seriously question having the same results from 2.5mg of anavar (HG) compared to 50mg (UGL). Bios3 says a lot of things that make sense and I do like most of his videos, but some of his claims are a bit silly.

 

[enzo321]

This is the guy who also doesn't believe in PCT, claims its useless.

It is useless if your whole objective is to maintain all your gains.

If you wanna be in the 240+ club and stay in the club you gotta blast and cruise.

 

[enzo321]

[referring to pharmaceutical-grade ana Anavar (var) ] "for a hundred capsules of like 10mg was $800"

Can anyone confirm whether it's actually that expensive?

That seems so incredibly disproportionate that only one of the following would seem viable..
either
- He's full of shit
- Signature Pharmacy was just way over-charging
or
- There really isn't any real Anavar (var) on the market at all, even with reputable guys & even if it was under-dosed at less than 50%

It's soo expensive. Cost a few washingtons per MG.

 

[Optimal]

Not to nitpick here, but you do have to remember that pharmacy grade has a HUGE markup on a lot of things. Big pharma is big for a reason.

Oh, I absolutely agree that it's overpriced regardless...
but certainly the disparity is much larger with Anavar (var) when compared to others, no?

Though now that I think about it... I suppose that Anavar (var) is much less common for pharm's to actually prescribe, which as basic economics will tell: raises the cost.
For UGL's, Anavar (var) is pretty darn popular so it wouldn't be as much of a hassle to produce, due to the larger volume of orders.

The numbers still seem a bit skewed even with that, I'd be interested in how the profit margins (in terms of %) of Anavar (var) compare to those of standard injectables.
Guess I'll just have to keep at it and maybe build up enough rep to get more "in the know" in a few years... + personal experimentation.

I have with testosterone cypionate. I honestly have higher values of total test on bloodwork when using UGL product.

Very interesting. Do you happen to have a progress log I could follow? Or the scans handy? (not doubting, just interested)

Not to say that there isn't a lot of fake/underdosed stuff floating out around, but I still seriously question having the same results from 2.5mg of ana Anavar (var) (HG) compared to 50mg (UGL).

Yeah, definitely the results of Anavar (var) ious members speak for themselves... for me it is more a question of "if the raw suppliers are cheaping out, what the heck are they using for filler?" The last thing I would want to risk is having some Winstrol (winny) thrown into the mix when my joints are already falling apart as it is.

Bios3 says a lot of things that make sense and I do like most of his videos, but some of his claims are a bit silly.

Absolutely agreed, which is a big part of why I question whether he might be exaggerating a bit here. I just like to see both sides of the argument rather than dismiss either one

 

[halfwit]

Instead of quoting all your post, I'll say that we agree in many ways and without a mass spectrometer we'll never know what is the mystery ingredient in "less than 100% raws".

Very interesting. Do you happen to have a progress log I could follow? Or the scans handy? (not doubting, just interested)

Okay, here's a sloppy cut/paste job into paint as one of the tests are from my PCP, so the formatting is obviously going to be off. The top image is from December 2012, the bottom obviously 3 months later when back on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) after a small blast. Both are taken with 250mg/wk of testosterone. Top being UGL, bottom being Watson I believe it was.

Hope that helps?
EDIT: Of course the missus comes home and reminds me that the PCP test I put up could easily be used to identify me due to the unique value and date. So I have to leave it as UGL: 1136 / Pharma: 900. Sorry man. If I can find that other private blood test, I'll put it up with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) values as that isn't self-incriminating.
Note: I normally have a labcorp done prior to my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) test, but I can't seem to find it on my portable drive. I swear I had one done, so if I find it - I'll make another pretty comparison.

 

[Optimal]

Instead of quoting all your post, I'll say that we agree in many ways and without a mass spectrometer we'll never know what is the mystery ingredient in "less than 100% raws".

Okay, here's a sloppy cut/paste job into paint as one of the tests are from my PCP, so the formatting is obviously going to be off. The top image is from December 2012, the bottom obviously 3 months later when back on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) after a small blast. Both are taken with 250mg/wk of testosterone. Top being UGL, bottom being Watson I believe it was.

Hope that helps?
EDIT: Of course the missus comes home and reminds me that the PCP test I put up could easily be used to identify me due to the unique value and date. So I have to leave it as UGL: 1136 / Pharma: 900. Sorry man. If I can find that other private blood test, I'll put it up with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) values as that isn't self-incriminating.
Note: I normally have a labcorp done prior to my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) test, but I can't seem to find it on my portable drive. I swear I had one done, so if I find it - I'll make another pretty comparison.

Ahh, yeah I guess that wouldn't be too good of a position to place yourself in then. Too bad I didn't get home a bit sooner but honestly, I don't really doubt you when it comes to pure test... I mean it's so cheap to produce compared to anything else that even "bad" sources shouldn't be too far off (unless it's completely bunk).

Anyway, to add to the discussion, I just found a great point made on another forum:

The reasoning has no merit.

The reason that Oxandrin is extremely expensive is that BTG (a foreign company, btw) got the US taxpayer to pay for studies on use of oxandrolone in young girls with Turner's syndrome. Which is a rare condition.

After the taxpayers' money proved that oxandrolone has a use for this rare condition, BTG used the Orphan Drug law to petition the FDA to give them monopoly rights for sale of oxandrolone as a prescription drug in the US. Whether for this purpose or not.

Upon this being granted, they then jacked up the price by a factor of 10 to 20 times over the price of the generics that had existed but which now no longer could be sold.

Oxandrolone actually is a somewhat expensive raw material -- the synthesis method has been much improved in recent years but it's still more expensive to make than for example Dianabol -- but the price difference is not remotely to the extent that one might imagine from the price of Oxandrin.

That price results from collusion to restrain trade, enabling monopoly pricing.

Monopolies FTL...
From what I can gather of what even the "very reputable but extremely expensive" raw producers are charging, UGL's would still be raking in 10x profit anyway.
Definitely puts me more at ease. Now if only I could find an actual government-owned patent site to verify the info... but I'll worry about that later on down the road, not gonna be trying Anavar (var) anytime soon.

 

[smadizm1]

I can testify that Anavar (var) is way overpriced at most labs. As far as raws I can give a price but I think that's against the rules here. Lets just say its 3x the cost of dbol raws. Maybe it's a supply and demand thing.

 

[Manski]

To do Anavar (var) or not to do Anavar (var) ! So confused ! So is our ugls on here carrying real Anavar (var) ?