Another “first cycle” Test-E

[Canadian_airborne]

I’m going to start my first pinning cycle. I have done two oral cycles and really want to get away from them and not completely screw my liver.

Week 1-14
Test E - 300 e3d
Arimidex .5mg eod

Week 15-16
Arimidex .5mg eod

Week 17-18
Nolva 40mg every day
Clomid 50mg every day

Week 19-20
Nolva 20mg every day
Clomid 50mg every day

I have 5000iu HCG I’m getting mixed reports in how to use this properly. Who giving it to me is saying 1500 eod with PCT. but from what i have read it’s kind of making sense to do 250iu/e3d for weeks 7-14. Advice on this would be amazing.

I know it’s a lot of protection for a realitively low dose of Test but might as well use the tools imo as they all serve a purpose.

Thoughts?

 

[Milton]

you have no idea what your doing, youve done 2 oral only cycles before?
read the beginners cycle thread and get bloodworks done before anything.
and post your stats.

 

[Canadian_airborne]

Yes i have no idea what I’m doing. That’s very informative. Thanks. I can assure you that i have had this cycle given to me by some very knowledgeable people in the sport. I have read beginner cycles and yes I’m asking for advice.

Anyone out there have anything helpful?

And if i “have no idea what I’m doing” tell me what you think is so wrong. It’s simply a Test only cycle to see how my body reacts. Test only cycles for first time is certainly a good idea.

35 yrs old 185lbs 16%bf

 

[Milton]

dont look like your friends know anything either. anybody with half a brain knows to use hcg during a cycle amd never during pct.


and oral only cycles is not for males.

 

[Canadian_airborne]

Did you even read my post. They are telling me to use it only PCT. but everywhere i have read online is saying that’s old school way of thinking and using it during cycle is best to keep your nuts priducing a little T to help in recovery making it a little easier. I was ASKING if anyone on here thinks like that or if taking it during PCT is best. Also why they think that. Is it personal experience?

 

[Milton]

Did you even read my post. They are telling me to use it only PCT. but everywhere i have read online is saying that***8217;s old school way of thinking and using it during cycle is best to keep your nuts priducing a little T to help in recovery making it a little easier. I was ASKING if anyone on here thinks like that or if taking it during PCT is best. Also why they think that. Is it personal experience?

did you read my post? i just said hcg is not for pct and is to be used only during your cycle. you better read up and do your own homework.

 

[Canadian_airborne]

That’s why I’m asking i appreciate your feedback. From what i have been reading i have been leaning to on cycle. I just see a lot of conflicting documents. Wanted to hear people opinions on here is all.

From what i have read i agree with you to use during cycle.

Can you tell me why the cycle is horrible for a First cycle in your opinion

 

[Milton]

That***8217;s why I***8217;m asking i appreciate your feedback. From what i have been reading i have been leaning to on cycle. I just see a lot of conflicting documents. Wanted to hear people opinions on here is all.

From what i have read i agree with you to use during cycle.

Can you tell me why the cycle is horrible for a First cycle in your opinion

good to see that your open as many get hard headed and suffer later in life.
if you read the beginner cycle thread in my signature you will read how to do a proper first cycle and proper dosages. you got the test and arimidex down, just need to add the hcg.


and of your reading alot of conflicting data online just hang around here as the databases here are loaded with spot on info. use the search feature to find the info that you need as well and wait to see what the other and more knowledgable members have to advice you. good luck!

 

[Canadian_airborne]

Appreciated. Thank you

 

[Canadian_airborne]

Always open to advice. When you become hard headed it’s time to stop.

Thanks again.

 

[PapaNoel]

I would just do the standard beginner cycle, both are close enough, just need to tweak doses and good to go. Also 5000iu hcg wont be enough for your whole cycle.

 

[Canadian_airborne]

I can get another HCG kit. What dosage HCG would you recommend?

 

[scorob777]

I***8217;m going to start my first pinning cycle. I have done two oral cycles and really want to get away from them and not completely screw my liver.

Week 1-14
Test E - 300 e3d
Arimidex .5mg eod

Week 15-16
Arimidex .5mg eod

Week 17-18
Nolva 40mg every day
Clomid 50mg every day

Week 19-20
Nolva 20mg every day
Clomid 50mg every day

I have 5000iu HCG I***8217;m getting mixed reports in how to use this properly. Who giving it to me is saying 1500 eod with PCT. but from what i have read it***8217;s kind of making sense to do 250iu/e3d for weeks 7-14. Advice on this would be amazing.

I know it***8217;s a lot of protection for a realitively low dose of Test but might as well use the tools imo as they all serve a purpose.

Thoughts?

Wow, for such a new thread you've got a pretty good food fight going on already.

First off, you said "relatively low dose of test" when you are taking 700 mg/wk Test E. Maybe splitting hairs, but that's not a low dose by a long shot. In fact it's pretty stout.

I'd suggest you take an extra gap week, 3 weeks off to let the Test E bleed out of your system 15, 16 and 17.

PCT is fine.

For the HCG take 250 IU 2x per week from 1 to 17. That adds up to 8,500 IU which will require 2 bottles.

If you want to get all fancy & proper get your blood tested before you start, and do it again at week #7-ish to see if you need more/less of the adex

 

[IMT]

Wow, for such a new thread you've got a pretty good food fight going on already.

First off, you said "relatively low dose of test" when you are taking 700 mg/wk Test E. Maybe splitting hairs, but that's not a low dose by a long shot. In fact it's pretty stout.

I'd suggest you take an extra gap week, 3 weeks off to let the Test E bleed out of your system 15, 16 and 17.

PCT is fine.

For the HCG take 250 IU 2x per week from 1 to 17. That adds up to 8,500 IU which will require 2 bottles.

If you want to get all fancy & proper get your blood tested before you start, and do it again at week #7-ish to see if you need more/less of the adex

did someone say food fight?!? View attachment 567356 yes 500IU of hcg per week will do the trick man!

 

[Canadian_airborne]

300 test a week broken into 150e3d. Sorry I’m my head i knew what i was talking about lol

 

[scorob777]

Ok, 300 test is a low dose. Good luck with 0.5 adex EOD, when you start to creak & pop and can't get out of bed in the morning it's time to cut back.

0.25 EOD is ok for 500 Test E/wk, so you could start with 60% of that - or up your test dosage.

 

[Canadian_airborne]

Would you recommend even taking it? Or wait to see if i have any side effects?

 

[scorob777]

We are all different, so who knows. Here's a data point for you, I recently cruised on 100 Test E/wk for three months. Free test at that dose came back 675 and estradiol was 40. This was with no AI.

So 100 Test for me was enough to require a little AI, 300 would for sure.

A rule of thumb calculation for 300 Test E shows adex 0.08 mg/day or 0.15 mg EOD. You would have to adjust up or down based on blood testing at around week 7-ish.

 

[Canadian_airborne]

Thank you for that. That is good information.

One last question for you all on here. I have two HCG kits. 12week cycle would be 84 days and a 14 week is 98. Would i need three kits of the HCG? Or would just using the two i have be good mixing kit 1 on day 7 and kit 2 on day 53

I’ve read people say once mixed it’s garbage at 28 days, some say it’s good for up to 60 days.

 

[LateStart]

Take 500 test...... Take 1/4mg adex 3 times a week........250 hcg 2 times per week. Do this for 10 weeks......wait 2 weeks and start pct for 5 weeks.

Something like That. No need to reinvent the wheel. Lower doses are shutting us down for less results......in my opinion.
Of course the safest course of action is not to cycle at all. Do you know what your current test level is?

Also......I wouldn't wait for sides to show up, might be too late then. If you want to risk it then I would at the very least have bloodwork done and treat it if you're high, which at 500 you will be. Some people wait for sides instead of bloodwork and then they have to live with it.

One last thing......donate blood as often as eligible. Hi hematocrit kills a lot of bros. Please pay special attention to this. Once your blood gets thick as hell is a bad time to find out you had some pre existing blockages somewhere. Stroke and/or heart attack is a shitty side effect to treat after the fact.