Are my Balls Permanently Desensitized?

BSF5025

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Hey guys. Go ahead and laugh at the title (I've been having libido issues for the past year straight). No matter whether I'm on cycle or off cycle, I have near zero libido. Even with a proper pct protocol of hcg and then clomid & nolva. I just now finished my pct and my body feels totally fine. I experienced a little crash right in the middle of the pct but I leveled back out toward the end. My balls are big and I feel like I'm back to natty and healthy. My workouts feel fine, my energy is fine, I can achieve a pump in the gym no problem... everything seems fine. But my dick is still lagging and it has been for the past year ever since i ran a cycle with too high a dose of deca for my body to handle (500mg a week). My sex life with my gf hasn't been the same ever since and I feel bad. This causes fights and insecurities in her *you know how girls are). It's a hit or miss every time we have sex. I either get a load off or I don't and I just have to stop eventually. Erections aren't quite as hard as they used to be before the deca cycle. I'm never horny throughout the day, ever, and I don't even whack off anymore or watch porn. My dick is just dead and doesn't care for anything anymore. Libido has fluctuated anywhere between 0-50% on and off cycle. Never 100%.

I just got post cycle blood work done this morning to make sure I'm good, but I'm 90% positive everything is going to come back fine because I feel normal and natty. What I got checked in the blood work was: Total Test, Free Test, Estradiol, Prolactin, LH, FSH, DHT, and a couple other things that came with the combo. I'm waiting on the results and I will post them.

I read a forum recently about a guy who had elevated levels of prolactin for a long period of time and it caused his testes to be desensitized and lack sensitivity to LH/FSH. Well, considering deca tends to build up prolactin, I'm assuming this is what happened to me because once my libido got shot I had no idea what I should do about it so I just waited for many months hoping my body would naturally level back out. It did not. And now I'm paying for it. I eventually got my hands on caber and tried it, but it barely helped. This was months after the sex issues started so it might have been too late (my prolactin levels were actually low on bw after taking caber). The guy in the forum also mentioned that he started taking a supplement called "Toco 8" which helps re-sensitize the balls to LH/FSH. I've been looking all over the internet to see who sells this product and it is Out of Stock EVERYWHERE!

Does anyone know anything about Toco 8, and where to get it? Also, if anyone knows how to "re-sensitize the boys," please let me know. Much appreciated.
 
I would wait before adding anything else to the mix. There are quite a few things that can mess with your Johnson, and the test results will help to confirm/eliminate some. When is the last time you donated blood by the way? A high hematocrit can wreck havoc on the venous system, and given how the penis is essentially a large vein - I'd start there.

For the time being, have you tried cialis? It's unlikely that your testes are desensitized, as that is often due to very long periods of extremely high levels of leutenizing hormone (or an analog like HCG), which would show a low level of testosterone, even with an ample LH signal.

DHT is another possibility, as prolonged AAS exposure can impair the natural production of DHT, which is needed for sexual arousal/potency. Increasing your fat intake may help, but looking at adrenal issues (cortisol wrecks havoc on DHT) is also a good start.

Please follow up with those results, I'm sure we can help get you back to plugging that glory hole once again. By the way, toco 8 is just a supplement that contains essentially healthy fats once made by primordial performance. I think jarrow makes a similar product (PP was shut down by the feds because they marketed some things a bit aggressively) if you really want to try tocopherols.

My .02c :)
 
I would wait before adding anything else to the mix. There are quite a few things that can mess with your Johnson, and the test results will help to confirm/eliminate some. When is the last time you donated blood by the way? A high hematocrit can wreck havoc on the venous system, and given how the penis is essentially a large vein - I'd start there.

For the time being, have you tried cialis? It's unlikely that your testes are desensitized, as that is often due to very long periods of extremely high levels of leutenizing hormone (or an analog like HCG), which would show a low level of testosterone, even with an ample LH signal.

DHT is another possibility, as prolonged AAS exposure can impair the natural production of DHT, which is needed for sexual arousal/potency. Increasing your fat intake may help, but looking at adrenal issues (cortisol wrecks havoc on DHT) is also a good start.

Please follow up with those results, I'm sure we can help get you back to plugging that glory hole once again. By the way, toco 8 is just a supplement that contains essentially healthy fats once made by primordial performance. I think jarrow makes a similar product (PP was shut down by the feds because they marketed some things a bit aggressively) if you really want to try tocopherols.

My .02c :)

Thanks, but i donated blood during the end of this past cycle which was a couple months ago. And I already tried cialis it does not do anything for my drive. The cialis is a hit or miss when it comes to improving the erection, but I still barely feel any sexual sensation during sex and can't enjoy sex, let alone even get a load off half the time.

This is my first time getting DHT checked in my blood work so I'm still waiting on that. If my DHT is off, what would I need to do to combat that and get back to normal?
 
I used to buy a supplement called male response at a supplement store always made my dick supersensative and just recently picked up some pt141 as well
 
Thanks, but i donated blood during the end of this past cycle which was a couple months ago. And I already tried cialis it does not do anything for my drive. The cialis is a hit or miss when it comes to improving the erection, but I still barely feel any sexual sensation during sex and can't enjoy sex, let alone even get a load off half the time.

This is my first time getting DHT checked in my blood work so I'm still waiting on that. If my DHT is off, what would I need to do to combat that and get back to normal?

So this is more of a libido issue than erectile dysfunction? As in you CAN have sex, but don't really desire it? Definitely interested in those blood test results as I suspect it's either test or estradiol messing with you at this point. DHT is best treated with diet, as supplementing with hormones will suppress your testosterone. Also, if you are on the low side of testosterone, DHT will follow suit.
 
Get bloods these guy s will sort u out w good advise. I ll not TRY to get in there. I know my limit s.

I will add that at my age though my sex drive s raging my ability to orgasm is much delayed, my nut s ARE desensitized some too.
Some young ladies get sore and one s my age love it. But none don t cum. You ll be gtg. A lot of this is in ur mindset.
 
that toco8 product was stopped many years ago,,, i used to use it... even if you had some it would be past exp.
you can supp with another full spectrum vitE product. but anyways get full blood work and post up results.
 
What did your hcg protocol look like

I waited 2 and a half weeks after my last cycle shot, and started hcg 750iu 3x a week (Mon-Wed-Fri) for the next 4 weeks. Then started pct of clomid and nolva starting the following Monday for 4 weeks. My recovery has gone well and I feel fine as far as energy, strength, and lean mass. My pct has nothing to do with my libido issues. I was having issues on and off cycle. It has currently been 10 weeks since my last cycle and I feel great, just libido is still in the gutter.
 
So this is more of a libido issue than erectile dysfunction? As in you CAN have sex, but don't really desire it? Definitely interested in those blood test results as I suspect it's either test or estradiol messing with you at this point. DHT is best treated with diet, as supplementing with hormones will suppress your testosterone. Also, if you are on the low side of testosterone, DHT will follow suit.

Yes I can have sex, but it takes a lot for me to get hard. I used to get hard just at the thought of a nice pair of tits. Now I struggle to even get hard when my girl is butt ass naked in front of me. And like I said, I feel almost no sexual stimulation on my penis when I'm having sex. Getting head feels a bit better oddly, but sex there's almost nothing. And I'm never horny and never feel the urge to whack off. It's been weeks since I've even tried, and months since it has ever even felt that good. This can't just be in my head. My estrogen was in range when i got bw done during cycle and my test was sky high. Its not estrogen or test. It's something else.
 
Estrogen was in range so prolactin should be too . Estrogen has to be high to get an increase in prolactin.
 
Yes I can have sex, but it takes a lot for me to get hard. I used to get hard just at the thought of a nice pair of tits. Now I struggle to even get hard when my girl is butt ass naked in front of me. And like I said, I feel almost no sexual stimulation on my penis when I'm having sex. Getting head feels a bit better oddly, but sex there's almost nothing. And I'm never horny and never feel the urge to whack off. It's been weeks since I've even tried, and months since it has ever even felt that good. This can't just be in my head. My estrogen was in range when i got bw done during cycle and my test was sky high. Its not estrogen or test. It's something else.
We'll see. If I had a dollar for every time I thought it was something else, bloods told me a different story. :)

Estrogen was in range so prolactin should be too . Estrogen has to be high to get an increase in prolactin.

Not necessarily. Hyperprolactinemia can occur even with just small swings in dopamine for the very unlucky. It's just not as common as estradiol-induced. :)
 
So it's the cock? Or the balls? Title says balls...most of the time if I've ever had issues it was all in my head. I bet that has alot to do w it too
 
So it's the cock? Or the balls? Title says balls...most of the time if I've ever had issues it was all in my head. I bet that has alot to do w it too

I said balls in the title because I was doing research and found a forum about a guy who had elevated prolactin levels for a long period of time and it ended up "desensitizing" his balls (according to him), leaving his libido in the gutter even when he got it back in check. And no, there's no way this has been just in my head for a year straight now. There's something else going on. The mind plays a role yes, but it's nowhere near all of it
 
You definitely need blood work to see what really is happening to you. In the mean time, since Cialis did not help, you can try PT141. Cialis helps by increasing blood flow while PT141 helps by increasing the electrical signals which are related to both desire and ability to perform. The combo of the two makes for a great time!

But DO GET BLOODWORK!!!
 
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Hey guys. See my bw results in the image attached. Like i mentioned before. I got this bloodwork done right at the end of my pct (10 weeks from my last shot of cycle, with hcg in between the cycle and the pct. My total test and free test are in healthy range. Notice my prolactin is high but my estrogen is in range. So that proves wrong "if prolactin is high estrogen has to be too." Also, my LH is literally double the highest of normal range. How is that even possible? My LH was almost non existent during my cycle. I figured a pct would bring it back to normal... but it is very high. That caught me by surprise. DHT is in healthy range as well.

One thing that confuses me is that I wasn't taking anything in my last cycle that would typically raise prolactin (test E, eq, Tbol first 4 weeks). I was using adex when needed. My prolactin was actually LOW last time i got bw done which was 8 weeks into this last cycle. My sex drive was still suffering at this time. Like I mentioned before in this thread, my sex drive is around 50% when I'm on a cycle, and basically 0% when off... even though test and estrogen are in range.

Should i hop back on the caber and see what that does? I'm lost
 
I can't speak for why your prolactin is high, i'll leave that to the experts. I do know that when mine is high, it disrupts me sexually. Lack of sensitivity is the biggest one. Hard to reach orgasm for sure.

As far as the elevated LH goes, that's still the SERM active in your bloodstream. How long exactly did you take the blood test after your last dose? I'm assuming you used Clomid or Nolva or both. I'd wait 2 months after last PCT dose, and make sure it exits your body. Otherwise, it'll continue to show higher than normal levels of LH and consequently testosterone.
 
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