gonnagetjacked
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Been working out for two years straight . Im 21 6'4 194 pounds
Best bulking cycle? What do you suggest ! N why?
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DreDay187
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There are a few "myths" in that article you linked but overall I agree, OP needs diet at this stage not AAS. A good bulking cycle would be steak, chicken, potatoes, rice, veggies, eggs. Why, bc it will get you where you want to be when calories and macros are adjusted to your specific needs
CptFKNplanet
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What does your current diet look like? At two years of training, you should still be able to make solid gains with proper nutrition and training.
ELicit23
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What are some of the myths ? Maybe knowing these myths will make my bulking a shit ton easier and more bearable... does it have to do with brown vs white foods? If so please enlighten me so I can skip my whole wheat pasta and dog down some good old white rice or potatoes in an hour or so lol
DreDay187
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The part about PWO - a typical whole foods meal takes 4-6 hours to digest. If you ate before training, nutrients are still being released and absorbed during and after your training. It is not NECESSARY u less you train fasted. Is it a bad thing to do of course not. But there is no "magical window of opportunity" with PWO nutrition and the thought that you need a PWO shake within 15min is downright wrong. Do what fits your schedule. Busy after the gym, then eat a big meal before training and get your next meal when possible. Busy before the gym, then train fasted and get a good meal in within an hour or two should be fine.
Carbs - carbs are not an essential macro. You can bulk on a keto diet and have great results. Carbs will make it easier to bulk bc you can eat a lot of them, they prevent protein breakdown, can help keep intensity up in the gym, and some ppl just don't do well with no carbs BUT they are not mandatory.
Protein- 2-3g/lb lbm is ridiculous and not necessary. For me that would mean around 375-550g of protein??? That would be up to 2200 calories per day and half of my caloric intake, does that really make sense? Protein MINIMUMS are around 1g/lb BW you can obviously have more but if you go over 2g/lb BW or more, you're eating into other macros you could have and seeing no added benefit.
Egg whites- most of the nutrients and half of the protein come from egg yolks (vitamin D,E,A, selenium, choline, calcium, phosphorous and more) why would anyone eat only egg whites on a bulk (unless they had prior cholesterol issues) is beyond me?
Separation of macros- the whole paragraph is bullshit. Protein is insulinogenic, does that mean you can't eat protein and fat? Glycemic load > glycemic index and protein and fats lower glycemic load of a meal even one that contains high glycemic foods. Worrying about insulin making you fat is retarded its the caloric surplus. PROTEIN SPIKES INSULIN so I guess protein makes us fat too lol.
Glutamine- is never really needed. Any compete protein source has glutamine and if you're eating 150-200g protein minimum like most of us are you're getting plenty of glutamine. If you're worried about protein breakdown (catabolism) eat carbs, they're more effective at preventing catabolism anyway.
Creatine- many ppl including myself cut with creatine. It helps keep up muscular endurance and lbm (water). You'd want to cut creatine before a contest or trying to get single digits but otherwise I keep it on cuts and bulks.
Cheating- IS NOT NECESSARY. Saying it is is a sign of how clueless someone is on nutrition. If you include the foods you enjoy and fit them into your macros and calories there's no desire to cheat. Ever. I eat all the foods I enjoy in moderation and never cheat. I make them fit my macro needs. If I do fast food I reduce carbs and fats from another meal. I want ice cream, reduce carbs before bed (usually eat ice cream at night lol).
There's probably a few more I missed I read through it quickly. But hats the gist of it lol. I could give more detail if you'd like on a specific topic but up to you
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frank.tb
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The part about PWO - a typical whole foods meal takes 4-6 hours to digest. If you ate before training, nutrients are still being released and absorbed during and after your training. It is not NECESSARY u less you train fasted. Is it a bad thing to do of course not. But there is no "magical window of opportunity" with PWO nutrition and the thought that you need a PWO shake within 15min is downright wrong. Do what fits your schedule. Busy after the gym, then eat a big meal before training and get your next meal when possible. Busy before the gym, then train fasted and get a good meal in within an hour or two should be fine.
Carbs - carbs are not an essential macro. You can bulk on a keto diet and have great results. Carbs will make it easier to bulk bc you can eat a lot of them, they prevent protein breakdown, can help keep intensity up in the gym, and some ppl just don't do well with no carbs BUT they are not mandatory.
Protein- 2-3g/lb lbm is ridiculous and not necessary. For me that would mean around 375-550g of protein??? That would be up to 2200 calories per day and half of my caloric intake, does that really make sense? Protein MINIMUMS are around 1g/lb BW you can obviously have more but if you go over 2g/lb BW or more, you're eating into other macros you could have and seeing no added benefit.
Egg whites- most of the nutrients and half of the protein come from egg yolks (vitamin D,E,A, selenium, choline, calcium, phosphorous and more) why would anyone eat only egg whites on a bulk (unless they had prior cholesterol issues) is beyond me?
Separation of macros- the whole paragraph is bullshit. Protein is insulinogenic, does that mean you can't eat protein and fat? Glycemic load > glycemic index and protein and fats lower glycemic load of a meal even one that contains high glycemic foods. Worrying about insulin making you fat is retarded its the caloric surplus. PROTEIN SPIKES INSULIN so I guess protein makes us fat too lol.
Glutamine- is never really needed. Any compete protein source has glutamine and if you're eating 150-200g protein minimum like most of us are you're getting plenty of glutamine. If you're worried about protein breakdown (catabolism) eat carbs, they're more effective at preventing catabolism anyway.
Creatine- many ppl including myself cut with creatine. It helps keep up muscular endurance and lbm (water). You'd want to cut creatine before a contest or trying to get single digits but otherwise I keep it on cuts and bulks.
Cheating- IS NOT NECESSARY. Saying it is is a sign of how clueless someone is on nutrition. If you include the foods you enjoy and fit them into your macros and calories there's no desire to cheat. Ever. I eat all the foods I enjoy in moderation and never cheat. I make them fit my macro needs. If I do fast food I reduce carbs and fats from another meal. I want ice cream, reduce carbs before bed (usually eat ice cream at night lol).
There's probably a few more I missed I read through it quickly. But hats the gist of it lol. I could give more detail if you'd like on a specific topic but up to you
On the carbs subject: aren't carbs your body's main energy source? And having no stored glycogen in your muscles leads to muscles catabolism? And not to mention an extremely low carb or 0 carb diet increases fatigue and makes it difficult to push with the same intensity...
These are what I've always believed, thoughts?
ELicit23
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The part about PWO - a typical whole foods meal takes 4-6 hours to digest. If you ate before training, nutrients are still being released and absorbed during and after your training. It is not NECESSARY u less you train fasted. Is it a bad thing to do of course not. But there is no "magical window of opportunity" with PWO nutrition and the thought that you need a PWO shake within 15min is downright wrong. Do what fits your schedule. Busy after the gym, then eat a big meal before training and get your next meal when possible. Busy before the gym, then train fasted and get a good meal in within an hour or two should be fine.
Carbs - carbs are not an essential macro. You can bulk on a keto diet and have great results. Carbs will make it easier to bulk bc you can eat a lot of them, they prevent protein breakdown, can help keep intensity up in the gym, and some ppl just don't do well with no carbs BUT they are not mandatory.
Protein- 2-3g/lb lbm is ridiculous and not necessary. For me that would mean around 375-550g of protein??? That would be up to 2200 calories per day and half of my caloric intake, does that really make sense? Protein MINIMUMS are around 1g/lb BW you can obviously have more but if you go over 2g/lb BW or more, you're eating into other macros you could have and seeing no added benefit.
Egg whites- most of the nutrients and half of the protein come from egg yolks (vitamin D,E,A, selenium, choline, calcium, phosphorous and more) why would anyone eat only egg whites on a bulk (unless they had prior cholesterol issues) is beyond me?
Separation of macros- the whole paragraph is bullshit. Protein is insulinogenic, does that mean you can't eat protein and fat? Glycemic load > glycemic index and protein and fats lower glycemic load of a meal even one that contains high glycemic foods. Worrying about insulin making you fat is retarded its the caloric surplus. PROTEIN SPIKES INSULIN so I guess protein makes us fat too lol.
Glutamine- is never really needed. Any compete protein source has glutamine and if you're eating 150-200g protein minimum like most of us are you're getting plenty of glutamine. If you're worried about protein breakdown (catabolism) eat carbs, they're more effective at preventing catabolism anyway.
Creatine- many ppl including myself cut with creatine. It helps keep up muscular endurance and lbm (water). You'd want to cut creatine before a contest or trying to get single digits but otherwise I keep it on cuts and bulks.
Cheating- IS NOT NECESSARY. Saying it is is a sign of how clueless someone is on nutrition. If you include the foods you enjoy and fit them into your macros and calories there's no desire to cheat. Ever. I eat all the foods I enjoy in moderation and never cheat. I make them fit my macro needs. If I do fast food I reduce carbs and fats from another meal. I want ice cream, reduce carbs before bed (usually eat ice cream at night lol).
There's probably a few more I missed I read through it quickly. But hats the gist of it lol. I could give more detail if you'd like on a specific topic but up to you
wow bro thanks
DreDay187
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You're right in a sense but the body can survive without carbs. It cannot survive without fats and protein. That's why they're called "essential" nutrients. Efa's and EAA's the body cannot create, they must be included in diet. Keto diets work and keto diets are generally less than 50g/day carbs.
You're right though, the body's fuel source is glucose. But protein can be converted to glucose through gluconeogensis. It's not optimal by any means but it is possible. Keto diets fuel the body through ketones. Besides a few organs in the body that require glucose, everything else can be run on ketones. You still have carb up days on keto to replenish the glycogen that you pointed out would get depleted. Some people run better on keto others need the carbs. My point was, carbs are not necessary but they can be very beneficial.
Sorry this may come out confusing. Rough day today and my mind isn't all here. If there's anything that needs clarification let me know lol
frank.tb
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Nah all us good doc...I've just always been told that low-carb/no carb diets aren't advisable but I see what you are saying. Thanks
DreDay187
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If you compare isocaloric diets and maintain proper macros for the type of diet you're running, you really won't see any difference with high carb, low carb, no carb.
gonnagetjacked
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Ive been on and off working out for about 2 years Ive been on point with Diet/Routine for about 5 months. I prepack my meals every sunday and use my fitness pal to count calories and macros lmao. I just want to know out of curiosity what would be an ideal cycle for a beginner ?
CptFKNplanet
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Too young, not enough time training, not enough research.
