Blood Labs in...................................

Alpin

Alpin

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Got my blood labs from last week. I was off T shots for 2 weeks on this blood lab but continued with 500 i.u. HCG EOD....
So these labs are with 2 weeks of 500 i.u. HCG EOD and E4D ADEX 0.25 mg.
As I mentioned to you all...I was feeling like it was a bit too much to be on both T shots and HCG (even in small doses)....
I felt like HCG was working to some degree...
Judging by physical signs i.e. ache in balls after HCG shots, decent strength in gym, and toning/losing weight e.t.c. and increase in energy and well being I think the HCG is helping.
I had to go in to this doc to get the labs(this is the Anti TRT GP I have talked about on recent posts). He was not happy to hear I was doing well, had more energy and better libido on HCG when I saw him today. It's obvious he is looking out for his best interests instead of mine. It was a very unpleasant visit with him. He is such a big pusher of Anti D's that he does not want to hear a patient is doing well off anything else. We are done....this was it. I had to go to the office and see him and get copies of my old labs from last year...
or else they would not hand them over.
I needed them for my file.
My E2 came back over the range a bit so it's HI the range is less than 157 pmol/L...
I will have to take ADEX on E3D instead and run labs on it to see how much more it comes down....
That's why I was probably feeling Anxiety...my E2 was HI.
I'm doing way better guys....thanks to everyone for helping!!!!

Total T: 596 ng/dl
Estradiol: 160 pmol/L
LH: <1
FSH: <1
 
I have to add that my liver enzymes came back well within range. My ALT came down 20 points since hoping on this protocol.
 
I've been off T shots for 3 weeks now....
So technically I should be at my lowest point now. Have Energy and libido is good.
Workouts are decent too.
I got impatient when first hoping on the HCG and started the T shots 2 days later while I was still using the HCG.
 
I'm no expert nor am I going to guess on possible outcomes in regards to permanent restarts. Cause permanent restarts are not always possible. But it looks like my system can still make the T when sufficiently stimulated by HCG.
So being on that 2.5 year TRT protocol with no HCG might not have fried my balls completely.
 
APOLLON said:
I'm no expert nor am I going to guess on possible outcomes in regards to permanent restarts. Cause permanent restarts are not always possible. But it looks like my system can still make the T when sufficiently stimulated by HCG.
So being on that 2.5 year TRT protocol with no HCG might not have fried my balls completely.
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Your testicles might be functioning, but you'll never restart your pituitary while on HCG, since its suppressive. Have you decided on whether your going to actually try a proper restart, or just stay on TRT for good?
 
bushleaguechew said:
Your testicles might be functioning, but you'll never restart your pituitary while on HCG, since its suppressive. Have you decided on whether your going to actually try a proper restart, or just stay on TRT for good?
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I agree. I will try. From what I have read HCG needs to be used for a little bit to get T up to around 800-900 ng/dl range (if possible) before starting the SERM therapy.
I'm over 3 weeks now from last T shot. I only took T for 3 weeks.
No crash, training is good e.t.c.
 
Megatron28 said:
So you are at 44 pg/ml using the regular assay. I wouldn't consider that to be high. It would be better to get the a sensitive assay next time to be more accurate.
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ok. Thanks. I will. Might have to purchase this test thru another source though.
 
APOLLON said:
I agree. I will try. From what I have read HCG needs to be used for a little bit to get T up to around 800-900 ng/dl range (if possible) before starting the SERM therapy.
I'm over 3 weeks now from last T shot. I only took T for 3 weeks.
No crash, training is good e.t.c.
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I would just try the SERM therapy now, before you become secondary hypogonadal because of the HCG suppression....
 
bushleaguechew said:
I would just try the SERM therapy now, before you become secondary hypogonadal because of the HCG suppression....
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HCG stops secretion of pituitary hormones...so it does make you "secondary" while you are on it.
Do you mean becoming primary hypogonadal from desensitization to LH?
 
APOLLON said:
HCG stops secretion of pituitary hormones...so it does make you "secondary" while you are on it.
Do you mean becoming primary hypogonadal from desensitization to LH?
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No i mean secondary as in eventually your pituitary will quit trying to restore itself.
 
Austinite said:
Emphasis on this.
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Austinite...
What else can you tell me on this result. These results were 15 days after last T shot and ON HCG.
The HCG being 500 i.u. EOD (just as we discussed in earlier posts from previous months on this matter)
I'm 25 days after last T shot today....no crash to report still stable T levels and good workout yesterday e.t.c.
 
Not to sure this entire 596 ng/dl of T.T. could be from the HCG I'm running.
Like I mentioned....
I did 4 shots of T at 160 mg/every 7 days while still running HCG (300 i.u. E4D)
This result was 15 days from last T shot while on 500 i.u. HCG EOD.
This would need to be retested at 4 weeks from last shot and continuing on same protocol of HCG (500 i.u. EOD) to get truer baseline levels.
 
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