Bloods are in, couple Qs..

[KingK]

Ok got my bloods back today. Est was high which was expected, normal for my age (37) is 7.6-42.6, mine is 79.1, waited for Adex until i knew where i was at to dose it properly. I know rule of thumb is .5mg eod but wondered if i should change that at all with this value? I plan to test again in 4-6 weeks after starting my Adex just to see where its sitting then.

My LH and FSH are extremely low, both .2 when normal is 1.7-8.6 and 1.7-12.4 and was curious about that.. I have been under a shit ton of stress and was doing 250 a week trt before recently bumping up and cleaning up my diet to get looking a little better. I have done many cycles over the years and came off a long test run that i stacked on and off with and did pct (nolv/hcg) and was natural and apparently hypo for a good while before testing and doing TRT and been doing that about 6 months. Wondering if i need to look into coming off for a while again (even though it sucks balls) and try doing another pct with an extended HCG and see if i can bounce back, or would it even work at this point? Ive read some people get stuck trt the rest of their life bc they just cant produce it anymore.

Was also curious around what level you guys test is when your taking it and how much youre taking? I been doing 700mg a week and sitting at 1500 currently. I feel good, good strength and mass. Ive never seen anyone post what their values are vs what amount they are taking. Normal natural is like 350-1200 which is a VERY wide spread.

Thanks in advance, always appreciate the feedback from you beasts..

 

[scorob777]

There's a lot of stuff here to talk about - but first did you say you were taking 700 mg/wk test and your E2 was 79 and test 1,500? That doesn't make a lot of sense, both should be a good deal higher at that test dosage.

 

[KingK]

ok, looked again and it actually says >1500 testosterone, so maybe the test tops at 1500? Which is kinda stupid if upper end of average for a 37yr old is almost 1200

but estradiol is 79.1 with average being 7.6-42.6 Ive only done bloods twice now, back in the day we just went with rule of thumb on everything and were prob all out of whack and never even knew it. Trying to do better now.

 

[scorob777]

The standard testosterone test caps out at 1,500, and can also be fooled by 19-nors. If you are taking large doses of test or 19-nors you can get the LC-MS version of the test which is uncapped and not tricked by 19-nors. It costs more, something closer to ******NO PRICE DISCUSSION ALLOWED READ RE-READ THE BOARD RULES*******

LH and FSH should be about zero since your HPTA is shut down, so nothing wrong there.

Your plan to try 0.5 mg EOD adex sounds ok, followed up 4-6 weeks with more testing. My only thought is your E2 seems a bit low for that much test, so you will want to keep a close eye on it with your AI dose, and do the bloodwork to make any corrections.

 

[appleton111]

how do you plan on getting your E2 levels up?

 

[SJC]

One thing you need to take into account and so does everyone else is that the basic hormone panel actually sucks for getting a correct reading for E2. It I more expensive but you should really get the ultra sensitive test. The basic test from my experience can be off by 20 points high and low.

What you also need to think about is what you're trying to accomplish with this cycle. Yes there are normal ranges for E2 but what a lot of people don't understand is that estradiol is very anabolic. It builds muscle just as much as testosterone does. Higher E2 makes your body retain water which helps your muscles perform better and aids in growth. Now does this mean you let E2 get out of hand? No, it should be checked and maintained just like everything else. f I were bulking and had no BP issues, ED issues, or gyno symptoms I wouldn't worry about my E2 being that high. I wouldn't probably want it any higher either. If I were trying to cut and have a leaner look I would want my E2 lower. Say in the 20'-30's range.

Personally if you were concerned and want to get it down .5mg twice a week would probably work. 700mg of test and no AI and you're only at 79 means your body isn't aromatizing the test at a high rate. I know guys that at 300mg a week needs 1mg of adex a week just to be in the normal range.