Body Not Responding?

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Thoroughbred72

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About a year ago, I started taking testosterone cypionate and proprionate, 300 mg/ wk, along with anastrazole and HCG. The first ten weeks were phenomenal. My energy, sense of well being shot through the roof. I very quickly got very cut, and my musculature responded great. I gained 25 lbs of pure, upper body muscle in 8 weeks; my body seemed to be transformed and I looked and felt great. However, I noticed that after about the 10 week mark, my muscle tone, strength, muscle size, and energy all began to fade. The body fat came back, and after another month or two, I didn't feel any different than I did before I started testosterone. After another several months, I lost the muscle tone, my strength began to fade, and I lost almost all my size, despite the fact that I was still taking my injections! Eventually, some issues came up where I had to stop testosterone for about 3-4 months.

I have now stared back up, with proper anas. dosage, and HCG. I'm in the second week of my T injects, but I not feeling any different, and my muscle tone, size, and stength have not changed. I'm still struggling with the lack of energy, and I can actually 'feel,' that there is no improvement in my muscles (in other words, they feel soft, flabby, and are normal, low T size, if that makes any sense). I suspect, despite very HARD weight workouts, that my body is not responding the way it did in the initial 10 weeks of taking T (My muscles began to grow and get so strong, so fast, that my tendons couldn't keep up; they were beginning to crack and pop when I would workout!) Should I be noticing any kind of a difference by now? Can anyone tell me what happened the first time when T stopped working?
 
Two weeks is too soon for you to see anything still. Give it another two weeks before you start to question if it's working. ;) Sounds to me like you didn't change your diet in your first cycle to feed that brand spankin' new muscle. If you don't feed it, your body EATS it - seriously.

My .02c :)
 
check out 3j in the diet section, he helped me understand how to do thing a few yrs back, I thought I know what I was doing....... like we all think, but I was wrong!
 
Thoroughbred72 said:
Ok, what should my diet be?
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If it were that easy we'd all have 6packs with 200lbs of lbm. If you're too lazy to do the footwork or too unmotivated to look up the basics of nutrition, then you'll be too unmotivated to implement it and/or make a habit out of it. Do yourself a favor and read some of the stickies in the diet section, create a thread with specific questions in the diet section, and the route of least work would be to get ahold of 3J and he'll offer you his services and create a diet from scratch for you n
 
Where you were off of the test for a while, you should have had bloods drawn to see where you are, and then again in 5 or 6 weeks. Are you getting script test? Or underground stuff? Having a good source is important. Also, 2 weeks in is not enough. And it is not all juice my man. You gutta eat like a horse. But quality good whole foods. Not McDonalds shit. When you eat good whole food, you can eat just about all you want. Lets put it this way, you will NOT go hungry.
 
Yes, I did have blood tests done, everything showed good, except for total T level; it was 179. My test is prescribed, and it is from pharmacies. Also, my diet is fairly clean; I have been an athlete for years. I don't eat fast food, except for Chick-filet, and I don't eat the waffle fries. Of course, I'm like anybody else; I like the occassional waffle, or pizza. However, I don't sit around and eat Debbie cakes or Twinkies or anything. I take a lot of pure whey protein, and spend a lot of money on all kinds of vitamins (too much to be exact).
 
Thoroughbred72 said:
Yes, I did have blood tests done, everything showed good, except for total T level; it was 179. My test is prescribed, and it is from pharmacies. Also, my diet is fairly clean; I have been an athlete for years. I don't eat fast food, except for Chick-filet, and I don't eat the waffle fries. Of course, I'm like anybody else; I like the occassional waffle, or pizza. However, I don't sit around and eat Debbie cakes or Twinkies or anything. I take a lot of pure whey protein, and spend a lot of money on all kinds of vitamins (too much to be exact).
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I thought that way too, that eating a pizza here, some burritos there and making up for it with a couple extra whey shakes was legit. If you're on a cycle, you're wasting it by not putting in the proper nutrients your body needs to build muscle properly. I'm talking 6 meals properly balanced with protein/carbs/fats like 9oz of chicken breast, a sweet potato and some green beans. If you want to see the difference between being like "anybody else" and making the most of the anabolics, I'd head over to the diet section and start reading up. If you REALLY want to step up, I'd even consider hiring 3J (moderator of the diet section) to write you up a diet plan that is nothing short of AMAZING.

My .02c :)
 
When someone asks for a diet on here they mean to include calorie totals, macro totals, and the like. A little chick-filet won't kill you but you have to understand how to fit it within the context of a diet. Chick-filet, as with most fast-food, is typically high in carbs and fat. This means to keep the same macros and calories for the day, it will have to come from another meal or burned off through activity. The fact that you mention "fairly clean", "waffle and pizza", "lots of money on vitamins" tells me you're running blind here and are basing the efficacy of your diet in the names of the foods you eat. This is not the case. Yes "clean" eating is better for you in terms of satiety and micronutrient sufficiency but you can get just as fat or cut with "dirty" foods in the right proportions. I'm obviously not advocating eating fast food as all your meals, but my point is to successfully diet, build lbm, cut fat you need to track your calories and macros and make them match your intended goal. You need to know how much your eating, what you're eating, when you're eating it, what you need to eat to fill in any gaps, etc. it's a plan not a pieced together atlas with some highlighter marks. Head to the diet section and make a thread and be honest about what you eat. Track your food intake for a few days along with calories and macros and post it up. Barring that, hit up 3J as mentioned and he'll build a custom diet for you.
 
Wow, didn't know all that much went into it.......................Ok, don't know if I can afford to 'hire' 3J right now, but will head to the diet section.
 
2 weeks is too soon to see gains. I'm on my 4th week and so far, no noticeable mass or strength gains, although I seem more firm to touch, especially in my pecs. I have gained weigr but I can't see it, it could also be a little fat from my on cycle diet. But, I've done plenty of reading before getting started and the window for test to really get going is weeks 5-7. Just keep it up, get that diet in order, and enjoy the ride. I'm personally eating around 3400-4000 calories and 250g protein, with plenty of fats and a good amount of carbs, although carbs are relatively light compare to many lifters.
 
Thoroughbred72 said:
I think i will need an overdose of gamma radiation too, to really get some size very fsst
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so im going to ask the obvious question... was there a change in your diet after the initial 10 weeks?? you gained the 25lbs an that's great.. but after the fact did you get lazy?? did your diet suffer?
 
No, i did not get lazy, or change my diet. It was very wierd, and no one including my T provider could make any sense of it. One doctor told me that sbout 8-10 weeks of taking test, the body tries to reestablish homeostasis which can mean the test stops having as much impact as it did in the first two to three months. Diet didnt change.
 
Thoroughbred72 said:
No, i did not get lazy, or change my diet. It was very wierd, and no one including my T provider could make any sense of it. One doctor told me that sbout 8-10 weeks of taking test, the body tries to reestablish homeostasis which can mean the test stops having as much impact as it did in the first two to three months. Diet didnt change.
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the doctor was correct.. but i believe a calorie increase would have fixed your issue.. im guessing your diet was static the whole time correct??
 
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