BP problems need some input here !!

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blaj

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Ok, so I am 56 years old, 197 lbs 18 % bf. I am in my sixth week of my first cycle. Test-e @ 500 mg per week (2 pins per week). So far things have been going well. Last week I really started to feel the effects of the test. My workouts have been (for me) very very strong and recovery is much improved. I have gained 9 pounds and lost some fat.

I use aromasin as my Aromatase inhibitor (AI). I am running 12.5 mg per day. Every morning and evry evening when I come back from work, I take my BP. I normally am at :

117/73 in the morning
131/78 after work

Last thursday, after work, my BP came in at 148/96 so I was concerned
Last friday I felt really weird and when I came back from work my BP was now at 160/100 !!

So I decided to double my aromasin dose (25 mg) on friday. Saturday morning my BP was at 129/73 and during the day my bp was around 134/87.

Saturday. I took 1.5x my aromsin dose (18.75 mg). My BP this morning is at 137/84 which is again high.

I live in Montreal and do not have access to private blood work, unless i pay 1000 $. I do not want my doctor to know about AAS so I have no easy way to know exactly what is going on with test and estro levels,. I have to rely on BP and the way I feel. The gym says I am doing very well, My libido is all over the place from day to day. I feel rather sluggish most of the time. I train hard, work, eat and the rest of the time I could just sleep most of the time. If I force myself to do something I seem to have lots of energy. My gear is from AML and is suposed to be g2g according to this website.

So what should i do in term of dosing my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) ?

Input from more experienced cycler would be greatly appreciated
 
I forgot to mention that I also use hcg @ 500 iu on the same day as I pin test (today will be my sixth hcg pin. I get a small red rash on the pin point where I pin HCG. It is a little itchy and goes away after 24 hours.
 
No Blood work no solution. You'll be playing a guessing game. You should spend the $1000 or find another solution. It's your body, take care of it.

Dosing your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is again, a guessing game. The standard starting dose is 0.25mg every other day on cycle. However, everyone responds differently and require different doses. Only blood work will give you an accurate figure.

It sounds (again a guessing game) like your RBC and hematocrit level are on the rise. Which is normal, but you might be at a stage where you need toy dump some blood. You should go ahead and donate a pint of blood and see how you feel after that.

Good luck and please, be responsible to your body.
 
Agree with austin, I would get bloodwork for sure. If it is rbc you will want to give blood for sure. Check your e2 levels after the increase in aromasin. That last number for BP is not that high imo. Add in 6 grams quality fish oil, 81mg aspirin, coq10, and n2guard.
 
Austinite said:
No Blood work no solution. You'll be playing a guessing game. You should spend the $1000 or find another solution. It's your body, take care of it.

Dosing your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is again, a guessing game. The standard starting dose is 0.25mg every other day on cycle. However, everyone responds differently and require different doses. Only blood work will give you an accurate figure.

It sounds (again a guessing game) like your RBC and hematocrit level are on the rise. Which is normal, but you might be at a stage where you need toy dump some blood. You should go ahead and donate a pint of blood and see how you feel after that.

Good luck and please, be responsible to your body.
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Ok I will have it checked out next week if I can. Private tests are not very common here because of public health care :-(

I should ask for a women blood panel ? Right

Until then, is there anything else I should do (or not do) ?

Thank you for the replies, have a nice day
 
blaj said:
Ok I will have it checked out next week if I can. Private tests are not very common here because of public health care :-(

I should ask for a women blood panel ? Right

Until then, is there anything else I should do (or not do) ?

Thank you for the replies, have a nice day
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I'd be careful with female panels. They're not all made equal.

Your most important tests are as follows:

- Testosterone, Total
- Testosterone, Free
- Estradiol (Preferably a sensitive assay if possible)
- CBC (complete blood count)

The above should narrow down most issues related to this cycle. Steroids can wreak havoc on your Lipids, so you might consider a lipid panel as well.

Until then, you should probably dilate your vessels for better blood flow. You can supplement with L-Citrulline Malate daily. Dose at 2 grams. 1 in the morning and 1 before bed.

If you're taking fish oils (which you should), be sure to couple them with Vitamin E Tocopherols so that you can protect the fatty acids and make use of them.

It's important to note that there is no way to lower Hematocrit and/or RBC levels without donating blood.

Hope that helps.
 
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I know it's quite a drive and it means having to cross the border into the US but there's a labcorp location in Burlington, VT which is roughly 2.5-3hrs from Montreal. You could get blood work done there for $59.99 (even cheaper with Internet coupon) :eek: Find out for sure how much the blood work in Montreal will cost you and if its very expensive consider going to Vermont on a Friday night and getting the test Saturday morning (the open Saturday) then drive back. The results get emailed to you. You'll spend $100-140 on gas, $60 on the test, etc and POSSIBLY save a lot of money if the test is really $1000 by you. Just an option to consider. I'd agree with Austinite and Meathead. They've been around this game long enough to realize there are too many variables that could potentially cause this and unless you know which one it is you're really just guessing. Good luck to you brother.
 
Docd187123 said:
I know it's quite a drive and it means having to cross the border into the US but there's a labcorp location in Burlington, VT which is roughly 2.5-3hrs from Montreal. You could get blood work done there for $59.99 (even cheaper with Internet coupon) :eek: Find out for sure how much the blood work in Montreal will cost you and if its very expensive consider going to Vermont on a Friday night and getting the test Saturday morning (the open Saturday) then drive back. The results get emailed to you. You'll spend $100-140 on gas, $60 on the test, etc and POSSIBLY save a lot of money if the test is really $1000 by you. Just an option to consider. I'd agree with Austinite and Meathead. They've been around this game long enough to realize there are too many variables that could potentially cause this and unless you know which one it is you're really just guessing. Good luck to you brother.
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Hey thank you for this info. The web tells me there is a labcorp lab about an hour away from me in plattsburg !!

So I should ask for

- Testosterone, Total
- Testosterone, Free
- Estradiol (Preferably a sensitive assay if possible)
- CBC (complete blood count)
- Lipid panel

I must fast the night before, so I could make an appointment today and then tomorrow morning just drive there. What personnal info do i need to give them and what privacy do i get with these private us labs ?
 
blaj said:
Hey thank you for this info. The web tells me there is a labcorp lab about an hour away from me in plattsburg !!

So I should ask for

- Testosterone, Total
- Testosterone, Free
- Estradiol (Preferably a sensitive assay if possible)
- CBC (complete blood count)
- Lipid panel

I must fast the night before, so I could make an appointment today and then tomorrow morning just drive there. What personnal info do i need to give them and what privacy do i get with these private us labs ?
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Yes, You need to fast if you get a lipid panel. It's very private, just give them your info. No one will get your blood work but you. Bring the results here for critique.
 
blaj said:
Hey thank you for this info. The web tells me there is a labcorp lab about an hour away from me in plattsburg !!

So I should ask for

- Testosterone, Total
- Testosterone, Free
- Estradiol (Preferably a sensitive assay if possible)
- CBC (complete blood count)
- Lipid panel

I must fast the night before, so I could make an appointment today and then tomorrow morning just drive there. What personnal info do i need to give them and what privacy do i get with these private us labs ?
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Get the HORMONE PANEL FOR FEMALES and at checkout make sure to check male reference ranges. This test gives you total testosterone, estradiol, LH, FSH, CBC with Differential/Platelet Count, complete metabolic profile, AST/ALT values, and glucose levels. If you want to add the lipid profile I believe it's NOT included and would be extra but check to make sure.

As Austinite said, they are very private and discreet. I've used them twice so far. When you order the test online printout the lab requisition form to take with you. You will NEED this form for them to draw blood. Do not give them any credit card or insurance info, if they ask you tell them it's pre-paid and that will take care of that. They may ask you for license to verify its you that's on the requisition but I haven't been asked. You'll get your results emailed to you in about 2-3 days in an email link. NO ONE WILL SEE THE RESULTS BUT YOU. no doctors, no medical professionals (except those who ran the tests but they won't know you you are), and no one sees results unless you show them yourself.

You will also need to fast for 12hrs for glucose and lipid profile so make sure not to eat or drink anything in that time besides water. Good luck my man and keep us posted with the results and we'll be more than happy to help you :)
 
Megatron28 said:
If I recall correctly, Private MD - Buy Lab Tests Online does not operate in New York. Closest location to you that they use may be Vermont. Still better than paying $1,000 though.
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Correct, that's why I mentioned Burlington, Vermont but I see now he chose the NY one. BLAJ, DO NOT GO TO THE ONE IN PLATTSBURGH, NY. I repeat, do NOT go to New York. New York has state laws that require the patient to pay for the panels himself AND that the patient's general practitioner request the blood tests. If you go to NY it WILL NOT work. You need to go to Burlington, VT or anywhere else in Pennsylvania, Vermont, New Hampshire, or Maine. Pick the closest labcorp location to you from privatemdlabs website but again, DO NOT go to any New York locations.
 
Bummer, but thank you for this info, you just saved me a lot of problems. I guess I just have to drive further :-(
 
blaj said:
Bummer, but thank you for this info, you just saved me a lot of problems. I guess I just have to drive further :-(
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Sorry to bum you out man. It's only like 2-3hrs further and Burlington VT is a beautiful city. Consider it a mini road trip/vaca :)
 
I made an appointment but the web site says I need to bring :

The LabCorp test request form from a health care professional requesting laboratory testing
A current insurance identification card (Medicare, Private Insurance or HMO/PPO)
A photo ID (for example, a driver's license or employee identification badge)
A health spending account card, credit card, or account debit card

Also on the web site :

Who will report my test results to me?
The physician who ordered the test or a member of his or her office staff will contact you regarding your test results.

Patients in some states may also be able to receive their lab test results directly after those results have been released to the ordering physician.


Now I really want to keep my doctor out of this, can I ?
 
And also on the web site :

Can I order my own tests directly from LabCorp?

Lab testing must be ordered by a licensed health care professional or authorized designee.

Will i drive over there (Burlington VT) and be turned back
 
Ok I think I see where i messed up :

I need to go to Private MD in burlington, not labcorp right ? They can give me results without a doctor
 
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