Bulking Cycle

[Witnessx6]

Hey everybody. I'd like to start a log for my upcoming cycle. This is a cycle I have discussed with many people, guys that have been in the gym for years and I feel that with all of the research and input, I will give it a go. I'll be starting it in several weeks so any tweaks or adjustments would be appreciated.

Stats:
25 years old
6 foot 1
210 lbs.
9% BF
Lifted for 10 years
5th AAS cycle (1st cycle at age 22, just Test Propionate) (2nd cycle at age 22, just Sustanon) (3rd cycle at age 23, Sustanon, Dbol) (4th cycle at age 24, Sustanon, Deca, Anadrol)
PCT for these cycles varied between a combination of either Clomid/Nolvadex/HCG


Weeks 1-16 Sustanon 250 (500 mg per week)
Weeks 1-16 Testosterone Propionate (50-75 mg EOD)
Weeks 1-6 Dianabol (20 mg ED)
Weeks 1-6 Anadrol (50 mg ED)
Weeks 4-16 Deca Durabolin (450 mg per week)

Arimidex (ED)
Liver support tabs
2 gallons of water per day
4000 calories
250 g protein per day
PCT Clomid + HCG

The reasoning for the Propionate added to the Sustanon is to reap benefits of short acting and long acting esters. The Sustanon only containing 30 mg of Propionate per injection, I feel that it's a waste, so I add in the Propionate to reap benefits of both and maintain blood levels. For example injecting Sustanon 250 mg + Propionate 50 mg on Monday, Propionate 75 mg on Wednesday, Sustanon 250 mg + Propionate 50 mg Friday, and so on.
The reasoning for the Dianabol-Anadrol combination is from what I have read many times. The synergistic effects are supposedly incredible. Of course a lower dose is needed due to liver toxicity, which is why only 50 mg and 20 mg are to be used.
I honestly didn't really want to use Deca in this cycle, but the magic it does for the joints and its' anti-inflammatory properties make it a must. I will need joint support with a monster cycle like this. The dose is at 450 mg per week compared to my testosterone dosage which is far greater at 725 mg per week.
I realize that a cycle like this will NOT matter if my diet isn't on point and my training isn't insane. I've been told what you gain is 50% training, 30% diet and 20% what you take. I know it'll be good if I watch every single thing I eat or drink, work my ass off for a couple hours per day in the gym, and stay dedicated, everything will fall into place.

 

[Metalhead]

Youve been misinformed. 80% diet, 15% training, 5% aas. I think youre trolling with such a ridiculous cycle

 

[riprockwell]

Yeah your percentages are definitely off. Honestly, I am a fan of thinking less is more sometimes. That is a lot of stuff to be taking and I promise you that you could get great results with just Test and Deca. And when I say it is a lot of stuff, I know plenty of guys who run that or at least more, so this is just more of my opinion. If you want an extra kick start, throw in Dbol or Adrol. I just don't see the need for Test P and both Dbol and Anadrol. Again, if you were to run Sustanon (sust) and Deca, considering you have your diet and training in check, you should grow nicely on just those 2. This coming from a guy who ran 300mg per week of test and grew nicely because all other avenues were in check like diet and lifting routines, etc. That is what I mean by less is more.

 

[Witnessx6]

Diet 80% and training 15 %? lol

 

[jtluongo]

all of you are wrong... its like gaspari once said, 100% diet and 100% training

 

[Metalhead]

Im not a nutritionist, but 3j is. After my experience with him, i'll take his word

 

[Witnessx6]

I like jtluongo's take on it.

 

[Teutonic]

Op I m o your over killing with the,prop...but it ll work
Dbol and a bombs wtf ?

Let s not forget genetics.....

3j is the man no doubt boys.

Take ur genetics , factor in training diet to reach those goals ..plateau , then toss gear at it...

Always worked for me

 

[Beck-Miester]

dbol and drol together as part of the same cycle? not very liver-smart. VERY hard on your liver, and you will be bloated with water, regardless of Aromatase inhibitor (AI). I would drop both of the orals, and the prop. If you are looking for a daily "pre gym" shot to add to what is now a Sustanon (sust) & Deca cycle, add 50mg of Test Suspension...that'll get ya rolling ..there are UGLs out there that have test suspension so fine, that you can use a 30g pin.....

One thing that you failed to mention is something for prolactin (because of the Deca) such as Caber....get it....use it....

 

[Witnessx6]

Here's for your Anadrol Dbol criticism.

For many years, a great debate has raged over which oral is superior for mass gains, and two of them have stood the test of time; dianabol and anadrol. The debate has continued, arguing which of the two is superior, yet no conclusive evidence has proven one better than the other. People respond to each one differently, some swearing by dbol and some swearing by anadrol. Before we declare one the winner, I am going to go over a bit of history and chemical structure on both products.

Anadrol (oxymetholone) was first made available in the 1960***8217;s by Syntex. It is very effective at increasing red blood cell production and was promising for treating severe cases of anemia. With the advent of newer and more advanced drugs such as Erythropoietin, which have less androgenic side effects, Anadrol was discontinued. New studies in AIDS/HIV patients revealed Anadrol was particularly effective at reducing wasting symptoms so it was re-released in the late 1990***8217;s.

Oxymetholone is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, which in theory means it should not convert to estrogen. Since it does not aromatize but still causes gynecomastia in some users, there are other pathways by which it converts. After looking at studies on AIDS patients, I found that it may convert by actively activating the estrogen receptor, so this is a product that would need an anti-estrogen such as Nolvadex .

Dianabol (methandrostenolone ) was first made in 1956 by John Zieglar of Ciba fame. Dianabol has been one of the most popular oral steroids of all time, exploding in popularity in the 1970***8217;s with bodybuilders and football players and expanding into all avenues of athletics during the 1980***8217;s. It somewhat waned during the 1990***8217;s with the steroid control act, but was hot again in the early 2000***8217;s with reproduction in mass quantities by Mexican labs and underground labs.
Methandrostenolone is a derivative of testosterone and hence will convert to estrogen. Gyno will be a concern for sure, in almost all users, whereas only less than 25% have problems with Anadrol. Again water retention will be a problem, usually due to the estrogenic properties.

Both products will have similar androgenic side effects, which include; acne, water retention, oily skin, male pattern baldness, and increased body hair growth. Both drugs are c17 alpha alkylated, therefore liver protection will be necessary, especially when combining the two.

So we come to the premise of this article, Anadrol vs. Dianabol. Why, the great debate over which product to take? They work on different pathways, have similar side effects you will have to combat, and both are liver toxic. So why is there a debate over which is better and which one should you take? Well, as I stated earlier, different people have different responses to each product. Many people, including myself, find high doses of Anadrol to be too much to handle in trade of the results you get. With this product, I have an extreme loss of appetite, massive water retention, and overall aches and pains and headaches.

On the other hand, when I take Dianabol, I get a general sense of well-being, good but not great size gains, and the ability to keep eating. It sounds like I should keep taking Dianabol and drop the Anadrol, right? Wrong. I get massive male pattern baldness from Dianabol, which I do not experience from Anadrol. I have an increase in blood pressure levels at doses that are high enough to match my gains from Anadrol, and I have to shorten my cycles because of the massive dosages I take to get good gains. So in all, I get some side effects from each that I would like to avoid, while still retaining the great benefits that I can only get from each product.

Anadrol is well known for its ability to cause massive size and strength increases, and as we all know, a stronger muscle has to become a bigger muscle with enough calories to feed it. Dianabol gives me large, quality muscle gains without as much water retention as Anadrol. So what is the compromise? Do I take one during one cycle and then the other product during my next cycle?

The answer is no to both. There is no need to short change yourself gains in either department when you can have your cake and eat it too. I am not alone in my assessments of both products. Most guys have similar issues of massive water retention, headaches and loss of appetite with Anadrol, and MPB and fewer gains with Dianabol comparatively. So, the best thing we can do is decrease our dosages of both products to cut down on side-effects and take them at the same time to increase the benefits.

My recommendation is to take both products in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. Dianabol has been found to work much better for quality gains when taken in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. High doses have severe side effects in some users, a loss of all gains with cessation of the product because of the short cycle (4-6 weeks) and most of the aforementioned side-effects.

Your dosages will be cycle history dependent but when I was at the peak of my career, I was taking cycles of 200mg Dianabol for 6 weeks per cycle, or 250-300mg Anadrol per 6 week cycle. In later cycles when I decided to combine the two products together, I was able to drop my Dianabol use to 50mg per day, and my Anadrol use to 100mg per day and because of the synergistic effect of the two products combined, the effect was similar to high doses of each but with none of the sides. There is something very synergistic when taking these two products together with just a simple cycle of testosterone and deca -durabolin .

I would run my Anadrol cycles for 8 weeks at that dose and my Dianabol cycles for 10 weeks at that low dose with no liver toxic effects as proven by my quarterly blood tests. I did not have to take liver protectants, but I recommend them for most users. I no longer had to watch my blood pressure, my water retention was minimal compared to earlier cycles, and I was able to continue eating massive amounts of food because I did not experience appetite loss from a massive dose of Anadrol.

I highly recommend on your next bulking cycle you try the following: A base cycle of test and deca, add in the Anadrol and Dianabol mix, and some Nolvadex. You will be able to control your water retention, liver toxicity, and other side effects by controlling your dosages. Your doses will vary from mine, but just adjust accordingly and run them for longer periods of time. You will be amazed at the simplicity of this cycle and yet the synergy is un-describable. Your gains will be far better than you have ever had when taking each product alone, your side effects will be less than if you were to take either product in higher doses, thanks to the different biochemical pathways. Everyone already knows that test and anadrol, and deca and dbol are very synergistic. Now combine all four in a cycle and watch yourself just blow up.

 

[jkr2020788]

Here's for your Anadrol Dbol criticism.

For many years, a great debate has raged over which oral is superior for mass gains, and two of them have stood the test of time; dianabol and anadrol. The debate has continued, arguing which of the two is superior, yet no conclusive evidence has proven one better than the other. People respond to each one differently, some swearing by dbol and some swearing by anadrol. Before we declare one the winner, I am going to go over a bit of history and chemical structure on both products.

Anadrol (oxymetholone) was first made available in the 1960***8217;s by Syntex. It is very effective at increasing red blood cell production and was promising for treating severe cases of anemia. With the advent of newer and more advanced drugs such as Erythropoietin, which have less androgenic side effects, Anadrol was discontinued. New studies in AIDS/HIV patients revealed Anadrol was particularly effective at reducing wasting symptoms so it was re-released in the late 1990***8217;s.

Oxymetholone is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, which in theory means it should not convert to estrogen. Since it does not aromatize but still causes gynecomastia in some users, there are other pathways by which it converts. After looking at studies on AIDS patients, I found that it may convert by actively activating the estrogen receptor, so this is a product that would need an anti-estrogen such as Nolvadex .

Dianabol (methandrostenolone ) was first made in 1956 by John Zieglar of Ciba fame. Dianabol has been one of the most popular oral steroids of all time, exploding in popularity in the 1970***8217;s with bodybuilders and football players and expanding into all avenues of athletics during the 1980***8217;s. It somewhat waned during the 1990***8217;s with the steroid control act, but was hot again in the early 2000***8217;s with reproduction in mass quantities by Mexican labs and underground labs.
Methandrostenolone is a derivative of testosterone and hence will convert to estrogen. Gyno will be a concern for sure, in almost all users, whereas only less than 25% have problems with Anadrol. Again water retention will be a problem, usually due to the estrogenic properties.

Both products will have similar androgenic side effects, which include; acne, water retention, oily skin, male pattern baldness, and increased body hair growth. Both drugs are c17 alpha alkylated, therefore liver protection will be necessary, especially when combining the two.

So we come to the premise of this article, Anadrol vs. Dianabol. Why, the great debate over which product to take? They work on different pathways, have similar side effects you will have to combat, and both are liver toxic. So why is there a debate over which is better and which one should you take? Well, as I stated earlier, different people have different responses to each product. Many people, including myself, find high doses of Anadrol to be too much to handle in trade of the results you get. With this product, I have an extreme loss of appetite, massive water retention, and overall aches and pains and headaches.

On the other hand, when I take Dianabol, I get a general sense of well-being, good but not great size gains, and the ability to keep eating. It sounds like I should keep taking Dianabol and drop the Anadrol, right? Wrong. I get massive male pattern baldness from Dianabol, which I do not experience from Anadrol. I have an increase in blood pressure levels at doses that are high enough to match my gains from Anadrol, and I have to shorten my cycles because of the massive dosages I take to get good gains. So in all, I get some side effects from each that I would like to avoid, while still retaining the great benefits that I can only get from each product.

Anadrol is well known for its ability to cause massive size and strength increases, and as we all know, a stronger muscle has to become a bigger muscle with enough calories to feed it. Dianabol gives me large, quality muscle gains without as much water retention as Anadrol. So what is the compromise? Do I take one during one cycle and then the other product during my next cycle?

The answer is no to both. There is no need to short change yourself gains in either department when you can have your cake and eat it too. I am not alone in my assessments of both products. Most guys have similar issues of massive water retention, headaches and loss of appetite with Anadrol, and MPB and fewer gains with Dianabol comparatively. So, the best thing we can do is decrease our dosages of both products to cut down on side-effects and take them at the same time to increase the benefits.

My recommendation is to take both products in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. Dianabol has been found to work much better for quality gains when taken in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. High doses have severe side effects in some users, a loss of all gains with cessation of the product because of the short cycle (4-6 weeks) and most of the aforementioned side-effects.

Your dosages will be cycle history dependent but when I was at the peak of my career, I was taking cycles of 200mg Dianabol for 6 weeks per cycle, or 250-300mg Anadrol per 6 week cycle. In later cycles when I decided to combine the two products together, I was able to drop my Dianabol use to 50mg per day, and my Anadrol use to 100mg per day and because of the synergistic effect of the two products combined, the effect was similar to high doses of each but with none of the sides. There is something very synergistic when taking these two products together with just a simple cycle of testosterone and deca -durabolin .

I would run my Anadrol cycles for 8 weeks at that dose and my Dianabol cycles for 10 weeks at that low dose with no liver toxic effects as proven by my quarterly blood tests. I did not have to take liver protectants, but I recommend them for most users. I no longer had to watch my blood pressure, my water retention was minimal compared to earlier cycles, and I was able to continue eating massive amounts of food because I did not experience appetite loss from a massive dose of Anadrol.

I highly recommend on your next bulking cycle you try the following: A base cycle of test and deca, add in the Anadrol and Dianabol mix, and some Nolvadex. You will be able to control your water retention, liver toxicity, and other side effects by controlling your dosages. Your doses will vary from mine, but just adjust accordingly and run them for longer periods of time. You will be amazed at the simplicity of this cycle and yet the synergy is un-describable. Your gains will be far better than you have ever had when taking each product alone, your side effects will be less than if you were to take either product in higher doses, thanks to the different biochemical pathways. Everyone already knows that test and anadrol, and deca and dbol are very synergistic. Now combine all four in a cycle and watch yourself just blow up.

Please post a reference, this could be any joe-blow with no time on their hands writing this. I would listen to the guys on this forum who have run plenty of cycles. If you dont want to take their advice, go ask whoever you got this article from if this is a good cycle or not. Shit, they might even tell you to throw Tren Enan in the mix.

 

[Witnessx6]

The source is Gavin Kane. Who is most definitely not any "Joe Blow."

 

[SirSwole]

Ya i was thinking that dbol dose was low then I saw the drol and lol'd. And taking Sustanon (sust) and prop at the same time?? Questionable indeed.

 

[Witnessx6]

It's a low dose of Prop. It's basically injecting 200 mg of Decanoate, 120 mg of Isocaproate, 120 mg of Phenylpropionate and around 250 mg of Propionate per week..