Can someone critique my cycle?

MarineMan247

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Okay, Im thinking of running my cycle like this. I decided against the EQ due to the advice alot have given me on here

1-12 Test E 500mg/wk
2-12 Nolva 10mg everyday (I was thinking of this to keep estro sides down and to keep my cholesterol levels favorable due to my LDL already being 169 Yes or no)

Nolva is liquid oral, does this matter? as a friend told me I should have nolva in pills instead?

14-18 Clomid 50/50/40/20

Please comment. I have taken advise of ppl on here before and im not too full of pride to admit that Im still learning
 
I was also thinking that arimidex and letro may be too potent of AI's just because I have seen alot about some sore of shutdown effect? and I also read that they will wreck havoc on your lipid levels. Idk why im so obsessed with my cholesterol levels lol just want to keep them in check
 
for the test at 500 i would recommend aromasin 12.5mg eod... it will eliminate some of the estro to prevent gyno and will also cut down on bloat... nolva only acts on receptors... some will prolly say that aromasin may not be necessary but its better safe than sorry and plus it cuts out the bloated look... think about it
 
^^^^ I agree with your post, except for 1 part of it. EOD aromasin dosing. for instance the half life of TE is roughly 7 days right? and we dose according to half-life correct? so taking TE every 14 days would be the same thing as dosing aromasin EOD, since the active half-life is 24 hours right?

Not to mention 6.25mg of aromasin will do little to nothing for aroma conversion in most, IMO.

OP as far as adex being harsh on lipids: thats when used for long periods of time, studies of 12 weeks @ dosing as high as 10mg ED showed no adverse affects on HDL, LDL or total.
 
Use arimidex or aromasin as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle. Do not use nolva unless you notice the development of gyno. I would recommend running Aromatase inhibitor (AI) all the way through PCT as well, your clomid dosages are off, they should be 100/100/75/50. I would also recommend running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) wk 2-13 500ui e5d.
 
I disagree with the clomid dosage. 50mgs per day for 4 weeks will suffice.....no evidence front loading dose anything but it definitely gave me sides.
 
^^^^ I agree with your post, except for 1 part of it. EOD aromasin dosing. for instance the half life of TE is roughly 7 days right? and we dose according to half-life correct? so taking TE every 14 days would be the same thing as dosing aromasin EOD, since the active half-life is 24 hours right?

Not to mention 6.25mg of aromasin will do little to nothing for aroma conversion in most, IMO.

OP as far as adex being harsh on lipids: thats when used for long periods of time, studies of 12 weeks @ dosing as high as 10mg ED showed no adverse affects on HDL, LDL or total.

not following you on the TE every 14 days... i have been told that 12.5 eod is sufficient for test at 500mg ew, I was told my a very reputable member that the ed dose may shutdown too much estrogen... but im just relaying info i have
 
not following you on the TE every 14 days... i have been told that 12.5 eod is sufficient for test at 500mg ew, I was told my a very reputable member that the ed dose may shutdown too much estrogen... but im just relaying info i have

its all good, I think someone cam up with theory out of there ass, the science behind aromasin supports the exact opposite. I know guys that have to run 50mg ED on cycle to prevent gyno. eveyone is afraid of aromasin cause of some stupid study they read on women, and Aromatase inhibitor (AI), more than most compounds, act alot differently in men then on women.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/reprint/88/12/5951.pdf

here is the long and short of the study posted by HEAVYIRON
"Aromasin

(Exemestane)


Aromasin is a steroidal aromatase inactivator used to lower circulating estrogen. It was developed to help fight breast cancer as estrogen plays a role in the growth of cancer cells. Aromasin binds irreversibly to the aromatase enzyme. This suppresses the conversion of androgens into estrogen. Circulating estrogen can be reduced by nearly 85% in women using Aromasin. A common misconception is that aromatase inhibition is similar in men than women. However in trials when males were administered 25mg of Aromasin daily maximal estradiol suppression of 62 ± 14% was observed at 12 hours. Aromasin acts as a false substrate for the aromatase enzyme, and is processed to an intermediate that binds irreversibly to the active site of the enzyme causing its inactivation, an effect also known as "suicide inhibition." In other words, Exemestane, by being structurally similar to the target of the enzymes, permanently binds to those enzymes, thereby preventing them from ever completing their task of converting androgens into estrogens. When we compare this mode of action against other AI***8217;s the benefit becomes clear. Arimidex can unbind from the aromatase enzyme when you stop taking it but Aromasin will not therefore there is less chance of estrogen rebound with Aromasin.

Aromasin can be employed during a steroid cycle when aromatizing compounds such as testosterone are administered in order to control estrogen from getting out of control. During the course of a typical steroid cycle estrogen can rise quite high. Estrogen has been measured as much as 7 times higher than normal in men on steroids. This is excessive and can potentially cause water retention, gynecomastia (the formation of female breast tissue) or benign prostatic hyperplasia. Therefore in order to avoid these side effects estrogen must be controlled.

Aromasin not only lowers circulating estrogen and sex hormone binding globulin but it also increases free testosterone by a whopping 117%! Total testosterone increases about 60%. Check out the performance of Aromasin after just 10 days of treatment in males.


FIG. 1. Estrogen and androgen plasma levels after 10 d of daily exemestane (25 or 50 mg) in healthy young males (mean ± SD; n = 9***8211;11). To convert to Systeme International units: estradiol, picomoles per liter (x3.671); estrone, picomoles per liter (x3.699); androstenedione, nanomoles per liter (*0.003492); and testosterone, nanomoles per liter (x0.03467).

Aromasin may be used during a steroid cycle with aromatizing compounds and during post cycle therapy (pct) to help keep the estrogen to testosterone balance in favor of testosterone. Out of all the medications to control estrogen, Aromasin seems to be the most well balanced. It raises testosterone slightly better than Arimidex and lowers estradiol about 12% better than arimidex in men and is likely to cause less estrogen rebound than Arimidex. Keep in mind that 50mg of Aromasin daily kept estradiol in the normal range for men so if you think using an aromatase inhibitor will crush estrogen too much this science supports the opposite. From the data I have read and my years of experience with this medication 25mg of Aromasin every other day is a good starting point on moderate doses of testosterone. If testosterone doses are raised then 25mg daily may be needed to control estrogen. Since either high and low estrogen can cause side effects such as low libido only labs can determine the appropriate dose of Aromasin."
 
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So this aromasin, permanently bonding to the receptors..? does this mean that my body will forever have lower estrogen levels? Someone care to elaborate?
 
So this aromasin, permanently bonding to the receptors..? does this mean that my body will forever have lower estrogen levels? Someone care to elaborate?

all it really mean is that aromasin's binding to that particular enzyme is irreversible. that enzyme will never be able to do its job again. it will then get discarded, eventually.

with the other 2 AI's, they bond temporarily, and then let go and that particular enzyme can go do its job again.

this is why some experience a "rebound" with type II's

on a side note I would like to ask a thought provoking question, if you dont mind op, and maybe get some feedback on it. I wonder if the attachment is sometimes flawed. and does not happen. what happens to this enzyme??? does it run around in your body as kind of a "genetic defect"? and if so i wonder what it would do??? does it run around being a naughty enzyme, causing trouble?

Im not trying to scare the newbie's, I love aromasin.
 
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