Ps: This post ended up too big, to I left an index showing where my question is if you don't wanna read everything.
Hello.
I've been researching about Clenbuterol (HCL) for a while so I can better understand why it is claimed as a powerful substance for changing body composition. I won't get too much in details because I believe many of you, at least the ones I'm hoping will answer my questions, did enough research about it already. I did not only kept looking at forums. The most comprehensive material I ever saw describing the cosmetic use of Clen was in a post that I bookmarked, but sadly lost after reformatting my PC. Besides that, a lot of my research was on the effects of Clen on mice and the physiological implications of the drug observed in their organisms (Cortisol levels, Heart Hypertrophy, Anabolism, etc...). The problem is that Clen is a beta2-adrenergic substance; the ratio of beta2-receptors between men and mice and their huge metabolic difference makes that data very unreliable for adapting the substance use to a human regimen. There is also data collected from its effects on horses, which are far less detailed and probably even less reliable. Well, nonetheless, there is information that can be obtained by observing the effect of the drug when used by humans. And there we have another big problem, accuracy. The effects described by users tend to be even less reliable than adapting the research done on mice. Why? Not only there is a lot of conflicting data, but the drug is often used in combination with more than one highly Anabolic substance. So, filtering it down on how it is used by professional bodybuilders also doesn't give much information about the drug.
Well, I got out of the way the reason why I'm asking what I'll be asking. Now, is there anyone who could point me to reliable material of the usage of the drug for cosmetic purposes on it's own and how its usage should be approached? It doesn't mean I'm going to use the substance by itself, but if there are no evidences of the conclusive effects without the aid of other substances, it's hard to see exactly what it is doing in humans.
I also want to make some things clear, and I hope it doesn't sound condescending or rude; I also hope it doesn't keep anyone from answering my question. Very often on posts about Clen and how you should use it, the kind of answers you get are very unsatisfactory. I mean, compared to a post about Dianabol for example. The answers usually go like this:
"Eat clean"
"Do lots of cardio and eat 1400 calories"
"Eat lots of protein and fiber"
"Don't get too low in calories"
I'm trying to avoid general answers like these, for many reasons. Not only they are general but they are also things I already do, whether I'm using a substance or not. Some data suggests that a huge calorie deficit while on Clen is what makes it an anti-catabolic substance that inclusively reduces Hypometabolism. There are also the replies criticizing Clen but that gives no relevant information to be worked with, like:
"This shit doesn't work bro."
'You have to use steroids if you wanna see effects"
"Clenbuterol is catabolic, it's not gonna help you lose fat"
I would really appreciate, if you make statements such as these, to provide me with at least some level of explanation. Under what circumstances that result was observed? Looking at how Clenbuterol works, you could actually use it at high dosages to rise your serum creatine kinase levels resulting in Catabolism. It doesn't mean it never has the reverse effect, it doesn't mean it is bad either. Catabolism will promote muscle growth if allied with a hipercaloric diet and weight training. Once again, not saying I'll ever do it, Heart hypertrophy is not fun.
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What I want after all, if I'm not asking too much, are details about the adequate calorie intake and macronutrients ratio when using Clen for reducing body fat percentage. It can be from personal experience and personal knowledge. I would be very thankful if you could also point me to comprehensive researches or experiments about Clen that links the drug with its cosmetic use. Even better if there is information on optimal dieting with the physiological explanations.
The reason why I posted this is exactly because I've ran out of sources and the information you find on Google is very vague. I already eat 6 times a day, keep a 40:40:20 macronutrient ratio and do enough resistance training for my current goals. I'm not simply looking to lose fat either. If I was I would just drop my calorie intake 20% below my maintaining level. My BF is 9% at 190 pounds and I'm just maintaining and slowly increasing mass until I get my bachelors in CS. I'm not starting with clen, I've already used it. I'm trying to create a good discussion and I'm asking if anyone knows any good material about the cosmetic use of clen that supports its reasoning with physiological explanations.
Sorry if the post wasn't clear enough, English is not my native language and I often fail making points. Please let me know if that is the case.
Thanks for your attention, looking forward to your replies.
Hello.
I've been researching about Clenbuterol (HCL) for a while so I can better understand why it is claimed as a powerful substance for changing body composition. I won't get too much in details because I believe many of you, at least the ones I'm hoping will answer my questions, did enough research about it already. I did not only kept looking at forums. The most comprehensive material I ever saw describing the cosmetic use of Clen was in a post that I bookmarked, but sadly lost after reformatting my PC. Besides that, a lot of my research was on the effects of Clen on mice and the physiological implications of the drug observed in their organisms (Cortisol levels, Heart Hypertrophy, Anabolism, etc...). The problem is that Clen is a beta2-adrenergic substance; the ratio of beta2-receptors between men and mice and their huge metabolic difference makes that data very unreliable for adapting the substance use to a human regimen. There is also data collected from its effects on horses, which are far less detailed and probably even less reliable. Well, nonetheless, there is information that can be obtained by observing the effect of the drug when used by humans. And there we have another big problem, accuracy. The effects described by users tend to be even less reliable than adapting the research done on mice. Why? Not only there is a lot of conflicting data, but the drug is often used in combination with more than one highly Anabolic substance. So, filtering it down on how it is used by professional bodybuilders also doesn't give much information about the drug.
Well, I got out of the way the reason why I'm asking what I'll be asking. Now, is there anyone who could point me to reliable material of the usage of the drug for cosmetic purposes on it's own and how its usage should be approached? It doesn't mean I'm going to use the substance by itself, but if there are no evidences of the conclusive effects without the aid of other substances, it's hard to see exactly what it is doing in humans.
I also want to make some things clear, and I hope it doesn't sound condescending or rude; I also hope it doesn't keep anyone from answering my question. Very often on posts about Clen and how you should use it, the kind of answers you get are very unsatisfactory. I mean, compared to a post about Dianabol for example. The answers usually go like this:
"Eat clean"
"Do lots of cardio and eat 1400 calories"
"Eat lots of protein and fiber"
"Don't get too low in calories"
I'm trying to avoid general answers like these, for many reasons. Not only they are general but they are also things I already do, whether I'm using a substance or not. Some data suggests that a huge calorie deficit while on Clen is what makes it an anti-catabolic substance that inclusively reduces Hypometabolism. There are also the replies criticizing Clen but that gives no relevant information to be worked with, like:
"This shit doesn't work bro."
'You have to use steroids if you wanna see effects"
"Clenbuterol is catabolic, it's not gonna help you lose fat"
I would really appreciate, if you make statements such as these, to provide me with at least some level of explanation. Under what circumstances that result was observed? Looking at how Clenbuterol works, you could actually use it at high dosages to rise your serum creatine kinase levels resulting in Catabolism. It doesn't mean it never has the reverse effect, it doesn't mean it is bad either. Catabolism will promote muscle growth if allied with a hipercaloric diet and weight training. Once again, not saying I'll ever do it, Heart hypertrophy is not fun.
---------------------------------Read here for the question---------------------------------
What I want after all, if I'm not asking too much, are details about the adequate calorie intake and macronutrients ratio when using Clen for reducing body fat percentage. It can be from personal experience and personal knowledge. I would be very thankful if you could also point me to comprehensive researches or experiments about Clen that links the drug with its cosmetic use. Even better if there is information on optimal dieting with the physiological explanations.
The reason why I posted this is exactly because I've ran out of sources and the information you find on Google is very vague. I already eat 6 times a day, keep a 40:40:20 macronutrient ratio and do enough resistance training for my current goals. I'm not simply looking to lose fat either. If I was I would just drop my calorie intake 20% below my maintaining level. My BF is 9% at 190 pounds and I'm just maintaining and slowly increasing mass until I get my bachelors in CS. I'm not starting with clen, I've already used it. I'm trying to create a good discussion and I'm asking if anyone knows any good material about the cosmetic use of clen that supports its reasoning with physiological explanations.
Sorry if the post wasn't clear enough, English is not my native language and I often fail making points. Please let me know if that is the case.
Thanks for your attention, looking forward to your replies.
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