Combining SERMS in Post Cycle Therapy

[ch3mical]

About to begin my first PCT after a 12 week test e only cycle with liquidex as Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (it's been 2 weeks since last pin).

Originally the plan was to go:
Nolva: 20/20/20/20
Clomid: 50/50/50/25

But after doing some more reading, a lot of people are saying to choose one serm or the other and not to mix as it is just extra toxins and messes your emotions. I'd like to get your thoughts on a good, standard PCT for a Test E only cycle (no HCG was used). Obviously, the goal is to keep gains (with diet help from 3J) and get my test back to normal as fast as possible.

 

[Austinite]

Clomid alone will mess with your emotions. But Nolva alone will not suffice. You need both. You can do some things to try and combat the emotional effects by producing more serotonin. But this is part of the game. As for doses, you should frontload your first week, just like you do with antibiotics. Your PCT should look like so:

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Good luck.

 

[DUBBED]

I see many post that both is good for post cycle therapy (pct). I only use nolva for me. but my next cycle will be with both like old people here (like the MOD) have been say.

 

[Alpin]

Clomid alone will mess with your emotions. But Nolva alone will not suffice. You need both. You can do some things to try and combat the emotional effects by producing more serotonin. But this is part of the game. As for doses, you should frontload your first week, just like you do with antibiotics. Your post cycle therapy (pct) should look like so:

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Good luck.

Please tell us how to increase serotonin.

Each / for that post cycle therapy (pct) represents a week?

 

[Austinite]

Please tell us how to increase serotonin.

Each / for that PCT represents a week?

Yes, each number is representative of the daily dose for that given week.

L-Tryptophan for Serotonin. It also converts to 5-HTP prior to serotonin. So double bonus. Never take it before bed though, only mornings and afternoons.

 

[Alpin]

Yes, each number is representative of the daily dose for that given week.

L-Tryptophan for Serotonin. It also converts to 5-HTP prior to serotonin. So double bonus. Never take it before bed though, only mornings and afternoons.

I hear you. Some guys even go 300 mg day 1 for clomid then 250 mg on day 2, then 150 for the remainder of the first 2 weeks.
How do you feel about that Austin?
How bout low dose paxil(10-15 mg) will that increasing serotonin?
I know its not ideal. But some guys are on low dose SSRI....I think it is dangerous to take tryptophan with it, no?

 

[Alpin]

L-tyrosine is a good dopamine stimulator as well....but it wears down as time goes by. Body gets used to increase amino acid presence and stops increasing dopamine I find....also some products are not the same as they were years ago and are all filler with less L-Tyrosine I find.

 

[Austinite]

There's no need for that much clomid. Yes, paxil does. But I avoid prescription drugs when OTC's can do the job.

 

[nickb86]

way too much clomid taking a dosage that high is asking for trouble and doesn't add any extra merit just more sides bro, if it was more effective the more you take than we'd all run cycles of it !

I always mix serms and like to attack post cycle therapy (pct) from as many different angles as possible, the serms I run are clomid and torem along with some aromasin (Ai) and some natty products..

 

[Alpin]

There's no need for that much clomid. Yes, paxil does. But I avoid prescription drugs when OTC's can do the job.

when would you recommend L-Tryptophan?
what dose?
will it ineterfere with low dose paxil ?

 

[Austinite]

1 gram morning, 1 gram at lunch time. that;s it.

Yes, Paxil adversely interacts with 5 HTP which is part or L-Tryptophans conversion, so a combination should be avoided, even at low doses.

 

[Alpin]

One would assume that by taking straight 5HTP, there would be a superior absorption vs. regular L-Tryptophan. The body converts regular L-tryptophan to 5 HTP anyway...

 

[Alpin]

1 gram morning, 1 gram at lunch time. that;s it.

Yes, Paxil adversely interacts with 5 HTP which is part or L-Tryptophans conversion, so a combination should be avoided, even at low doses.

1 gram of L-Tryptophan in the morning will make you sleepy and calm...no?
We need aggression and drive to be in this game....

 

[Austinite]

1 gram of L-Tryptophan in the morning will make you sleepy and calm...no?
We need aggression and drive to be in this game....

No.