Contradicting articles! Nolva or clomid damnit?!

[AnabolicLove]

Okay, these two articles are confusing me. Is Nolva or Clomid better at restoring your damn natural test? Also, one states that the side effects of clomid with ones vision is permanent, and the other says it's not.

Check out the two articles:
Nolva vs. Clomid for post cycle therapy (pct)
and
Inhibitian and Recovery of Natural Testosterone Production

I thought I had decided on Nolva for post cycle therapy (pct).. now I'm just getting more and more confused.

Which one is true? Which post cycle therapy (pct) do you guys prefer? Does clomid have permanent side effects or not? Which ones restores hpta faster?

Helllpppp!

 

[edogger]

I think theyre both decent. Both work a little differently and both have their own unique sides, all you can really do is try both and see which one you like better. I honestly think Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is a bigger key to recovery than either one of these drugs.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Clomid is better for getting your test back but is very hard on some emotionally. So some use nolva. Nolva has effects on the vision for some.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Id say nolva all the way!
soem say clomid is better but from studys iv read in passed all i have seen is nolva was better forthis and at less a dose so to me i say clomid isnto needed anymore when theres somthign that do the job better and with less sides "for most".

just my oppinion thow

 

[AnabolicLove]

Hmm? Everything I've read said that Clomid had the vision side effects! Clomid seems to make you all sorts of emotional so I'm gonna probably go with Nolva.

As far as HCG, I can't get my hands on it until the very last week of my cycle. And to my understanding I would've needed it before that.

I think the people who write those articles are writing their opinions.

Anyone else have any input on this?

 

[MS1605]

As for the HCG, there are 2 different protocols for using it. Some swear by using it while on cycle, some after cycle. Since you cant get it till your cycle is almost over, the obvious choice is to run it after.

Here is a good article on the "during cycle" Protocol from PP

Health and fitness articles: Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Diet Information

I have an "after cycle" protocol that is recommended from a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doctor at home I can post for you after work. It is from "Anabolics 2009". I just cant remember it in enough detail to comment now.

 

[Massive123]

Just run clomid & nolva together. Problem solved. Nobody can say which is "better" because everyone is different. When they do say which is better they're actually just saying which is better for themselves.

As for hcg, it gave my gyno symptoms from raising estrogen levels so I'd say avoid it if you're gyno prone unless you run over 12 weeks

 

[AnabolicLove]

Just run clomid & nolva together. Problem solved. Nobody can say which is "better" because everyone is different. When they do say which is better they're actually just saying which is better for themselves.

As for hcg, it gave my gyno symptoms from raising estrogen levels so I'd say avoid it if you're gyno prone unless you run over 12 weeks

I've been told by people to NOT take both. o.0 So it's for real okay to take both at the same time? Would my natty test come back sooner if I stacked the two?

If I decided to take both, how would I go about with my doses? I'm taking Test E @ 500mg weekly.

Thanks.

 

[Massive123]

IMO there's no way to say for sure if natty test would come back quicker with both vs just one but I've used both a few times successfully w no problems. Only time I had issues from clomid was when I frontloaded it heavily. Frontloading it isn't necessary IMO.

I run
clomid 50/50/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20
aromasin 12.5 eod

 

[AnabolicLove]

I run
clomid 50/50/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20
aromasin 12.5 eod

You think someone should run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during post cycle therapy (pct)? I was gonna run my Adex up until the last day of my cycle.

 

[Massive123]

If you're gyno prone yea I do. I had some nasty rebound in the past so I play it safe & run aromasin eod. Smart move IMO - better safe than sorry

 

[AnabolicLove]

If you're gyno prone yea I do. I had some nasty rebound in the past so I play it safe & run aromasin eod. Smart move IMO - better safe than sorry

Hmm. You think Adex .5mg eod would be alright?

 

[Massive123]

Honestly I've never used adex- only aromasin-so I couldn't say for sure. I'd play it by ear and adjust accordingly.. you'll know if you need more or less

 

[the tiger]

what about Toremifene?

heard its the bomb. I'm in the exact same predicament as you...

 

[AnabolicLove]

what about Toremifene?

heard its the bomb. I'm in the exact same predicament as you...

I don't know, I haven't heard much about it at all.

I think when it all comes down to it I'm probably gonna run 40/40/20/20 of Nolva.