could i blast and cruise then tamper off for a first cycle?

[detroitdrugzzz93]

if I wanted too.. could I blast for like 8-12 weeks then cruise for like 3 months, then do my pct??

I would do this with test e and test prop..
run dutasteride as well and armidex so my estrogen levels don't get pooped on..
then do a proper pct


would this be a horrible idea for a first cycle?

Would this be a good way to gain 30lbs-40lbs for a first cycle?

or is this an unconventional dumb way to do things.

 

[skinnypete]

not a good way to go unless your plan on staying on for life my friend. how old are you and what are your stats

 

[jets]

I don't really see the point of cruising unless you want to hop right back on a blast. Your best bet is to run your cycle and PCT wait the same amount of time and run another cycle.

 

[halfwit]

1. Why the cruise? You're going to crash either way, and the longer the cycle - the harder (generally speaking) it is going to be to recover.

2. I'd get a pre-cycle bloodwork done first. It seems to me that you may be concerned with recovery, so before going on any venture into AAS, I'd at least get some baseline numbers going so you know at least if something does go wrong - where that blame may lie.

2b. If you have good baseline values for your testosterone and everything else looks good, I most certainly wouldn't go on a cruise and just run it like everyone else. Cycle==>PCT==>Downtime==>Cycle==>Et cetera.

3. 30-40lbs is a TON of mass to put on. Picture a 5lb roll of hamburger at the store; you're hoping to put on 6-8x that amount in a very short period of time. I know we see stories of guys that put on that much weight, but they seldom follow up to say that half or more of that weight was just water weight from not running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and it went away. I'd be happy with 10-15lbs of REAL lean mass, and that's even pushing it. You'll want to have a fantastic diet plan and be extremely consistent in the gym to have those kinds of results. <Insert plug for 3J here>

I think you know the answer to this, but I do also wonder why you would want to push your body that hard. Do you suspect that you may have lower test levels naturally and want to see how you feel on a cruise? This is why I strongly suggest you get a pre-cycle blood test first, it may answer some of those questions you may not even know you had.

My .02c

 

[Mad- scientist]

Honestly you can do whatever you want. But it just depends on your goals man. for a first cycle I recommend you do testosterone somewhere between 500mgs a week to 750mgs a week depending on how strong the gear is. Which you will not know tell you get blood tests realistically. So I would say for a first cycle start off at 500mgs a week. than around 7 weeks in get blood work and if your testosterone levels are around the right area like 2300 to 2800 that means the gear is dosed decently. I say do a 3 month to 4 month cycle and do PCT for 4 to 6 weeks depending on how long your cycle is. And I recommend running hcg. Do not over complicate things man. Doing all this shit is complicated enough. Really all you want to do on your first cycle is make some alright to decent gains and get use to how things work. You have plenty of future cycles and can blast and cruise if you want. But blasting and cruising is the same as not going off. Your HPTA system will be effected just as bad maybe not as bad as if you where on decca for another 3 months but still it will be effected. stick with normal protocals and if you decide not to. We will be here to help you out still it is your choice man. Just remember the longer you suppress natural testosterone the harder it is to recover. I would personally tell you if I knew you and we were friends who kicked it every day to not do blasting and cruising. And to do a 3 to 4 month cycle. If you do a 4 month cycle use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and extend pct to 6 weeks instead of just 4 with possible lower pct drug dosages on the last two weeks of the 6 week pct

 

[detroitdrugzzz93]

not a good way to go unless your plan on staying on for life my friend. how old are you and what are your stats

20, 195lbs, 14% bf, 6ft tall.

 

[detroitdrugzzz93]

1. Why the cruise? You're going to crash either way, and the longer the cycle - the harder (generally speaking) it is going to be to recover.

2. I'd get a pre-cycle bloodwork done first. It seems to me that you may be concerned with recovery, so before going on any venture into AAS, I'd at least get some baseline numbers going so you know at least if something does go wrong - where that blame may lie.

2b. If you have good baseline values for your testosterone and everything else looks good, I most certainly wouldn't go on a cruise and just run it like everyone else. Cycle==>PCT==>Downtime==>Cycle==>Et cetera.

3. 30-40lbs is a TON of mass to put on. Picture a 5lb roll of hamburger at the store; you're hoping to put on 6-8x that amount in a very short period of time. I know we see stories of guys that put on that much weight, but they seldom follow up to say that half or more of that weight was just water weight from not running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and it went away. I'd be happy with 10-15lbs of REAL lean mass, and that's even pushing it. You'll want to have a fantastic diet plan and be extremely consistent in the gym to have those kinds of results. <Insert plug for 3J here>

I think you know the answer to this, but I do also wonder why you would want to push your body that hard. Do you suspect that you may have lower test levels naturally and want to see how you feel on a cruise? This is why I strongly suggest you get a pre-cycle blood test first, it may answer some of those questions you may not even know you had.

My .02c

the point of cruise would be to be able to solidify those gains and keep that weight on. I read a lot of those stories about those guys putting that kind of weight on, but most of them lose alof of it after they pct because they have a sucky diet. I think maybe staying on an extended cycle with a proper diet would help to keep the gains for long term?

 

[detroitdrugzzz93]

1. Why the cruise? You're going to crash either way, and the longer the cycle - the harder (generally speaking) it is going to be to recover.

2. I'd get a pre-cycle bloodwork done first. It seems to me that you may be concerned with recovery, so before going on any venture into AAS, I'd at least get some baseline numbers going so you know at least if something does go wrong - where that blame may lie.

2b. If you have good baseline values for your testosterone and everything else looks good, I most certainly wouldn't go on a cruise and just run it like everyone else. Cycle==>PCT==>Downtime==>Cycle==>Et cetera.

3. 30-40lbs is a TON of mass to put on. Picture a 5lb roll of hamburger at the store; you're hoping to put on 6-8x that amount in a very short period of time. I know we see stories of guys that put on that much weight, but they seldom follow up to say that half or more of that weight was just water weight from not running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and it went away. I'd be happy with 10-15lbs of REAL lean mass, and that's even pushing it. You'll want to have a fantastic diet plan and be extremely consistent in the gym to have those kinds of results. <Insert plug for 3J here>

I think you know the answer to this, but I do also wonder why you would want to push your body that hard. Do you suspect that you may have lower test levels naturally and want to see how you feel on a cruise? This is why I strongly suggest you get a pre-cycle blood test first, it may answer some of those questions you may not even know you had.

My .02c

yeah, I had my bloodwork done a while back, and my test levels came out on the very low end of normal.

 

[detroitdrugzzz93]

1. Why the cruise? You're going to crash either way, and the longer the cycle - the harder (generally speaking) it is going to be to recover.

2. I'd get a pre-cycle bloodwork done first. It seems to me that you may be concerned with recovery, so before going on any venture into AAS, I'd at least get some baseline numbers going so you know at least if something does go wrong - where that blame may lie.

2b. If you have good baseline values for your testosterone and everything else looks good, I most certainly wouldn't go on a cruise and just run it like everyone else. Cycle==>PCT==>Downtime==>Cycle==>Et cetera.

3. 30-40lbs is a TON of mass to put on. Picture a 5lb roll of hamburger at the store; you're hoping to put on 6-8x that amount in a very short period of time. I know we see stories of guys that put on that much weight, but they seldom follow up to say that half or more of that weight was just water weight from not running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and it went away. I'd be happy with 10-15lbs of REAL lean mass, and that's even pushing it. You'll want to have a fantastic diet plan and be extremely consistent in the gym to have those kinds of results. <Insert plug for 3J here>

I think you know the answer to this, but I do also wonder why you would want to push your body that hard. Do you suspect that you may have lower test levels naturally and want to see how you feel on a cruise? This is why I strongly suggest you get a pre-cycle blood test first, it may answer some of those questions you may not even know you had.

My .02c

I kinda want to test out what being on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) would feel like, like normally I have a pretty high sex drive, but gains in the gym have always been a fucking struggle for me. it took me forever to get where im at and I feel like other guys got where im at in 4months.. it just pisses me off. and yeah my levels came out low for 20, they were in the 300's I believe.

 

[Megatron28]

Post your lab results with LH and FSH included hopefully. Remember to I include reference ranges. Maybe there is something that can be done to get your Natty T higher.

 

[detroitdrugzzz93]

Post your lab results with LH and FSH included hopefully. Remember to I include reference ranges. Maybe there is something that can be done to get your Natty T higher.

I will upload paperwork when I get a new copy of it

 

[halfwit]

the point of cruise would be to be able to solidify those gains and keep that weight on. I read a lot of those stories about those guys putting that kind of weight on, but most of them lose alof of it after they pct because they have a sucky diet. I think maybe staying on an extended cycle with a proper diet would help to keep the gains for long term?

It honestly won't matter if you shut yourself down for 3 months or 6; if you have a shitty diet after you come down, you're losing some of that precious muscle mass. A lot of the claims of "I lost all my gains! Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!" are typically because they didn't use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) properly, gained a TON of water weight and once they came down, lost 15lbs of water as their bodies returned to homeostasis.

yeah, I had my bloodwork done a while back, and my test levels came out on the very low end of normal.

I'd definitely investigate this further, especially at your age. You want to fix your pre-cycle hormones FIRST, then you can make decisions about going beyond that.

I kinda want to test out what being on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) would feel like, like normally I have a pretty high sex drive, but gains in the gym have always been a fucking struggle for me. it took me forever to get where im at and I feel like other guys got where im at in 4months.. it just pisses me off. and yeah my levels came out low for 20, they were in the 300's I believe.

Yeah, that's not the way to do it. What happens if you upset that delicate balance that's barely keeping you producing ANY test, and then you find that you're stuck with 100ng/dL levels? At 20 years old, your options are VERY limited and you're pretty much at the mercy of how progressive your doctor is. You will really harm your chances of seeking a solution to your hormone problems once you go and start blasting off with cycles as they can tell (usually) what caused your hypogonadism based on the other hormone levels. It's going to look really odd to an endo if you came in and had healthy LH/FSH values months ago, only to come back in with NO LH/FSH and an even lower test level. They'll know something's up, especially if you've put on 20lbs since then.

Be patient my brother, stick this out and then you can see what your options are. I TOTALLY know what it feels like to struggle for gains in the gym as I spent the better part of a decade doing just that with levels one third of yours. The big difference is that if you take care of things properly, you'll be in a far better position than if you try to rush in and do it yourself. Doing it the quick and easy way will only leave you with regrets.

My .02c

 

[detroitdrugzzz93]

It honestly won't matter if you shut yourself down for 3 months or 6; if you have a shitty diet after you come down, you're losing some of that precious muscle mass. A lot of the claims of "I lost all my gains! Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!" are typically because they didn't use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) properly, gained a TON of water weight and once they came down, lost 15lbs of water as their bodies returned to homeostasis.


I'd definitely investigate this further, especially at your age. You want to fix your pre-cycle hormones FIRST, then you can make decisions about going beyond that.


Yeah, that's not the way to do it. What happens if you upset that delicate balance that's barely keeping you producing ANY test, and then you find that you're stuck with 100ng/dL levels? At 20 years old, your options are VERY limited and you're pretty much at the mercy of how progressive your doctor is. You will really harm your chances of seeking a solution to your hormone problems once you go and start blasting off with cycles as they can tell (usually) what caused your hypogonadism based on the other hormone levels. It's going to look really odd to an endo if you came in and had healthy LH/FSH values months ago, only to come back in with NO LH/FSH and an even lower test level. They'll know something's up, especially if you've put on 20lbs since then.

Be patient my brother, stick this out and then you can see what your options are. I TOTALLY know what it feels like to struggle for gains in the gym as I spent the better part of a decade doing just that with levels one third of yours. The big difference is that if you take care of things properly, you'll be in a far better position than if you try to rush in and do it yourself. Doing it the quick and easy way will only leave you with regrets.

My .02c

I have my blooods, I can post pics of them. or you can ask each level and ill type it out for yah with the relevant reference range.

 

[bigdaddyC]

Bro why the hell are you getting ahead of yourself. Your 20 want to start a cycle, which you shouldn't even be touching gear at your age and as mention on your other post, you want to run slin too WTF... learn to walk walk before you run