anzel
New member
I'm sitting on the fence between 2 schools of thought.
I have counted my protein and starchy carbs and not count veggies and subtracted the fiber .
Then you have others who count it all. A carb is a carb.
Let's say your goal is 200 g carbs/do.
If you don't count veggies or fiber you will have to eat MORE starch to hit your goal.
If you DO count veggies and fiber then you have to eat less starch because you are now factoring in carbs from veggies and fiber....which can add up to alot if your eating 2 cups of broccoli almost every meal and eating a cup of oatmeal etc.
So which is right? Surely the carbs from veggies (which is fibrous carbs) must provide energy at some level.
Without an answer as to which is best I do see a benefit to using both as part of a bulk cut plan
During your bulk you DON'T count the veggies and fiber. This forces you to eat more starch
During your cut you DO count the veggies and fiber
By forcing the starch down you start dropping calories and because your body senses the drop in the easy to metabolize starch it seeks energy from other carbs....this would be veggies.
But fibrous carbs require your body to work harder to break down into the basic carbs it needs as a former of energy. This means your metabolism goes up.
This decreased calories shouldn't be too much to make your metabolism slow.
At the very least this is a good way to start a cut/weight loss plan without out changing your diet habits too much. Your proteins and fat stay the same and your usual veggie intake stay the same. And you are still shooting for the same goal on your carbs.
It's just a slight change. Nothing more than dropping carbs to lose some fat. Once you stall maybe lower fat . Then lower starch again. Do more cardio etc.
How do you guys do it? Count veggies and fiber or dont?
I have counted my protein and starchy carbs and not count veggies and subtracted the fiber .
Then you have others who count it all. A carb is a carb.
Let's say your goal is 200 g carbs/do.
If you don't count veggies or fiber you will have to eat MORE starch to hit your goal.
If you DO count veggies and fiber then you have to eat less starch because you are now factoring in carbs from veggies and fiber....which can add up to alot if your eating 2 cups of broccoli almost every meal and eating a cup of oatmeal etc.
So which is right? Surely the carbs from veggies (which is fibrous carbs) must provide energy at some level.
Without an answer as to which is best I do see a benefit to using both as part of a bulk cut plan
During your bulk you DON'T count the veggies and fiber. This forces you to eat more starch
During your cut you DO count the veggies and fiber
By forcing the starch down you start dropping calories and because your body senses the drop in the easy to metabolize starch it seeks energy from other carbs....this would be veggies.
But fibrous carbs require your body to work harder to break down into the basic carbs it needs as a former of energy. This means your metabolism goes up.
This decreased calories shouldn't be too much to make your metabolism slow.
At the very least this is a good way to start a cut/weight loss plan without out changing your diet habits too much. Your proteins and fat stay the same and your usual veggie intake stay the same. And you are still shooting for the same goal on your carbs.
It's just a slight change. Nothing more than dropping carbs to lose some fat. Once you stall maybe lower fat . Then lower starch again. Do more cardio etc.
How do you guys do it? Count veggies and fiber or dont?
