Couple basic questions for a first timer

[Evansworld]

Hello all,

This is my first post on here so please try and go easy on me. I'm just here to get some different opinions and learn. I've got a couple questions about a cycle that I'm just about 13 weeks into right now...


I'm running 600mg Test E along with 700mg EQ weekly. Injections are EOD. This is my first cycle. There are a couple things that I'm curious about as I get most of my advice from a local friend who has a PhD in a very relative field and has been using for many years. For my AI I'm running exemestane but my dosage is still up in the air. I was basically instructed to take it when I feel side effects of high estrogen coming on(that I basically would have to play with it until I figure out a right dosage for myself), as oppose to taking a set amount ED, or EOD, etc. So far I've had no real issues with side effects. One week(about 8 weeks in) I felt some itchiness in my right nipple and a little extra water so I started taking exemestane at 12.5mg ED and I could definitely feel that it was way too much after 4-5 days so I stopped taking the AI immediately. Now I'm taking about 12.5mg once a week and control seems fine. How do you guys suggest finding the appropriate dosage of exemestane to use? Also what are the best indicators that you newer guys use to tell that your estrogen is rising? Occasionally I will feel a little mushy, emotional and I wonder if that justifies times to take it or not. If people don't suggest taking it when the individual feels is necessary, then what are some reasonable dosages to run exem at with the cycle that I'm running? I'm not ever holding water and I once every couple weeks will go through a period where my skin gets a little more oily than normal but it's nothing dramatic. Any suggestions for that would be great, thank you and I apologize for repeating a question I'm sure you guys have heard a million times. Cheers

 

[jSalud]

It is as simple as taking a blood test. That is the only way to truly gauge your e2 levels. You should also be using your AI from day 1, not from "symptoms" that can r subjective from person to person. Start your extremastane at 12.5 ED and get blood work. If e2 is high up the dose if too low reduce dose.

Also I think that you are using too much for a first timer. Why add EQ? Be wary of your HCt levels as EQ elevates rbcs quite a bit. At this point I think you should just get off let the drugs clear and do a standard PCT.

Did not see any stats in your post. What is your height, weight, and BF%?

 

[Evansworld]

It is as simple as taking a blood test. That is the only way to truly gauge your e2 levels. You should also be using your AI from day 1, not from "symptoms" that can r subjective from person to person. Start your extremastane at 12.5 ED and get blood work. If e2 is high up the dose if too low reduce dose.

Also I think that you are using too much for a first timer. Why add EQ? Be wary of your HCt levels as EQ elevates rbcs quite a bit. At this point I think you should just get off let the drugs clear and do a standard PCT.

Did not see any stats in your post. What is your height, weight, and BF%?

Thanks for the reply, man.

Stats: 6'1, weight 208lbs in AM upon waking, bf% 10% at the moment. I started at 196lbs and about 14% bodyfat.

 

[Rosco FleX]

Bloodwork, Bloodwork, Bloodwork

We need a sticky on here all about Bloodwork, & why the bro-science telltale signs of elevated E2 just won't cut it

Judging based on what you've said, you should cease to view your friend as a liable source for steroid information. If you're running any of these compounds at any dose high enough to grow from, chances are you need an AI. Don't wait for signs, use an AI & adjust it's dosage based on bloodwork.

Drop the EQ, and stop taking Test E EOD. It's a long ester steroid, space injections out to every 3-4 days (Mondays & Thursdays is an example)

Better yet...how long have you been on this cycle? I'd advise you to drop everything and start taking Nolvadex like so:
Week 1: Nolvadex @40mg/ed
Week 2: Nolvadex @40mg/ed
Week 3: Nolvadex @20mg/ed
Week 4: Nolvadex @20mg/ed

Drop this cycle, then you and your friend sit side by side and read over the stickies on this website.

 

[Evansworld]

Bloodwork, Bloodwork, Bloodwork

We need a sticky on here all about Bloodwork, & why the bro-science telltale signs of elevated E2 just won't cut it

Judging based on what you've said, you should cease to view your friend as a liable source for steroid information. If you're running any of these compounds at any dose high enough to grow from, chances are you need an AI. Don't wait for signs, use an AI & adjust it's dosage based on bloodwork.

Drop the EQ, and stop taking Test E EOD. It's a long ester steroid, space injections out to every 3-4 days (Mondays & Thursdays is an example)

Better yet...how long have you been on this cycle? I'd advise you to drop everything and start taking Nolvadex like so:
Week 1: Nolvadex @40mg/ed
Week 2: Nolvadex @40mg/ed
Week 3: Nolvadex @20mg/ed
Week 4: Nolvadex @20mg/ed

Drop this cycle, then you and your friend sit side by side and read over the stickies on this website.

Wow, I was expecting to get drilled for misuse and not being prepped properly by the forums standards but dropping it all together? That's interesting. Why drop everything? I've been on for about 13 weeks now since you asked. Thanks for the information I am definitely considering everything you guys have said.

 

[Rosco FleX]

Wow, I was expecting to get drilled for misuse and not being prepped properly by the forums standards but dropping it all together? That's interesting. Why drop everything? I've been on for about 13 weeks now since you asked. Thanks for the information I am definitely considering everything you guys have said.

You're using long ester compounds as if they were short ester

You don't understand the use of an AI, nor how to use it

You're stacking multiple compounds for your first cycle (even though I personally think EQ sucks)

You need to learn more about this game before you dive right in the way you did, that's what gives steroids the bad rep it has...especially when highschool kids do this(not saying you're young).

Might as well commit to it since you're in week 13 (missed that in your first post), although I'd swap places with those doses, putting Test E @700/week & EQ @600mg/week. Drop the EQ at week 16 and continue Test to week 18

Aromasin (Exemestane) is pointless if it isn't taken everyday. Keep your dosage in the 8-12.5mg/day range and adjust it based on bloodwork, that's the only advice that you need to take seriously as far tuning this AI goes.

Take your Test and EQ on the same days (Mondays & Thursdays). You can mix them in the same syringe.

2 weeks after your last Test E injection, begin PCT with Nolvadex @ the dosages I suggested in my last post.

Then take the time to actually learn this field inside and out before even thinking about a next cycle.

 

[Rosco FleX]

And what made you want EQ?

I find it to be such a waste of money. I'd take Deca over that crap anyday

But that's just me

 

[Megatron28]

How old are you?

Use Nolva and Clomid for PCT.

How does your friend with the PhD check his estradiol?

 

[tbonexl]

The questions u are asking are very loaded. U wouldnt call a mechanic and tell him your check engine light is on without telling him the make and model and expect him to diagnose the problem over the phone, would u? Your being a little ridiculous about it. Then to question peoples opinions and experience, u know cuz they've done their first cycle long long ago as if they don't know what they're talking about. Just cuz your buddy got a phd doesn't make him a guru on the subject. My bro is a professor and can't even tie his damn shoes!

 

[Megatron28]

Does that make him a "brofessor"?

 

[tbonexl]

No it makes him an idiot! Lol

 

[Evansworld]

You're using long ester compounds as if they were short ester

You don't understand the use of an AI, nor how to use it

You're stacking multiple compounds for your first cycle (even though I personally think EQ sucks)

You need to learn more about this game before you dive right in the way you did, that's what gives steroids the bad rep it has...especially when highschool kids do this(not saying you're young).

Might as well commit to it since you're in week 13 (missed that in your first post), although I'd swap places with those doses, putting Test E @700/week & EQ @600mg/week. Drop the EQ at week 16 and continue Test to week 18

Aromasin (Exemestane) is pointless if it isn't taken everyday. Keep your dosage in the 8-12.5mg/day range and adjust it based on bloodwork, that's the only advice that you need to take seriously as far tuning this AI goes.

Take your Test and EQ on the same days (Mondays & Thursdays). You can mix them in the same syringe.

2 weeks after your last Test E injection, begin PCT with Nolvadex @ the dosages I suggested in my last post.

Then take the time to actually learn this field inside and out before even thinking about a next cycle.

Thank you so much. I appreciate your help more than you know. I actually started using exemstane at 12.5mg ED but I started feeling weird so I contacted my friend and he said to just lower the dosage and I will be fine. I *did* read some of the stickies on this forum (Jimithing's AI sticky in particular) but you hear so many different views and opinions on things, I remember browsing a thread titled "national level super heavyweight answers questions" and somewhere inside he mentioned that he doesn't even use AI's??? A lot of different opinions on things but I'm very appreciative of your guys' help. Thanks again. One more thing, I know that you are firmling suggesting I get bloodwork as soon as possible, let's say for whatever reason I will not be able to get it for at least another 4 weeks. *Are* there any big or small "signs" from the AI dosage that I can kind of read in order to make a guess on if the dosage is too high or not? Thank you for all your help once again.

 

[Evansworld]

The questions u are asking are very loaded. U wouldnt call a mechanic and tell him your check engine light is on without telling him the make and model and expect him to diagnose the problem over the phone, would u? Your being a little ridiculous about it. Then to question peoples opinions and experience, u know cuz they've done their first cycle long long ago as if they don't know what they're talking about. Just cuz your buddy got a phd doesn't make him a guru on the subject. My bro is a professor and can't even tie his damn shoes!

Oh, just to be clear I was only questioning peoples' opinions and experience because I'm curious to learn. Please don't assume that I was doing it in a weird or condescending way. I understand that my situation is awkward and I apologize for that but I've already received a great amount of help and I'm grateful.

 

[Evansworld]

How old are you?

Use Nolva and Clomid for PCT.

How does your friend with the PhD check his estradiol?

I'm 26. Thank you for the suggestion

I'm not exactly sure how my friend checks his e2. I know he gets bloodwork done but he stays on year around and I believe his bloodwork may be somewhere around every 6 months range?

 

[Evansworld]

And what made you want EQ?

I find it to be such a waste of money. I'd take Deca over that crap anyday

But that's just me

I was suggested to take EQ because it was supposedly lighter on the sides than deca (prolactin conversion) so I would have to use less drugs (I didn't order cabergoline). I think that's the reasoning. I do agree with EQ kind of sucking though, haha.

 

[Megatron28]

Why can't your run blood work now? Just curious...

Estradiol - let me start by saying I cannot tell you have many guys have thought their E2 was high only to find out that it was actually too low and vice-versa. Many of the symptoms are the same for high or low. Blood work is the only true way to know what your E2 is at.

Having said that, general signs of Low E2 are joint pain and fatigue. General signs of high E2 are acne, fatigue and water retention/bloating/swelling (edema) and moodiness.

 

[Evansworld]

Why can't your run blood work now? Just curious...

Estradiol - let me start by saying I cannot tell you have many guys have thought their E2 was high only to find out that it was actually too low and vice-versa. Many of the symptoms are the same for high or low. Blood work is the only true way to know what your E2 is at.

Having said that, general signs of Low E2 are joint pain and fatigue. General signs of high E2 are acne, fatigue and water retention/bloating/swelling (edema) and moodiness.

I can get it checked now, it's just going to cost me a lot more than I would like I guess. I was really trying to push it until the end of the cycle but if it's worth it to do now then I will do that. Thanks.

 

[Megatron28]

Are you in the US? Private MD - Buy Lab Tests Online has the Hormone Panel for Females (for men too) which costs about $50.

 

[Evansworld]

Are you in the US? Private MD - Buy Lab Tests Online has the Hormone Panel for Females (for men too) which costs about $50.

Wow thank you. That's awesome. While we're on the subject of blood testing: The hormonal blood test is $50, what would it be if I wanted to get everything (AAS related) checked such as liver enzymes and the works? What would I order?

Thanks again

 

[Megatron28]

Liver is included. AST and ALT.

Search the site and you can see everything they offer. I find the best deals are in the panels rather than order things a la carte.