Cycle continuance review and help

[Coblejw]

First post for cycle help be easy if I miss a step.

Stats 6 ft
231.2 lbs
18.2 %bf
Age 27

Lifting stats:
Bench 325
Squat 455
Dead 405

Diet
3000-3500 call daily intake 6 feedings
Fats are in check
Carbs are minimal other than my vegetable intake
Protein is 1.5:1 give or take a few
Alcohol is negligible minus a glass or red wine with the wife maybe 3 times monthly

Previous cycle test e only 12 weeks.

So first off I'll explain a few things . I know I'm not at the magic number bf for some of you but my goals are for PL stats not show stats. No gyno no adverse effects no sides other than oily skin (no acne no gyno)

I am currently on week three of my second test e cycle and I just got my hands on some tren ace . Enough to run 8 weeks. Since I'm feeling the test e going active I was thinking about incorporating the tren into my system with the ability to abort with the short Ester and complete my test e cycle if needed (sides, irritability etcetc)

Proposed continuance.

Weeks
1-4 test e @ 500 MG pinned Tues and Fri .
Weeks 5-12 tren ace at 350 ew pinned ed at .5 cc. Test e pinned 250 ew Tues and Friday at .5 cc a pin
Adex .25 eod throughout has kept any signs of tenderness to non existent .
Pct is nolva 40/40/20/20

Here is where I'm slacking with the thought...

Ramping with tren as first introduction I have prami on hand and am at a loss with the administration and synergy with the Adex ai vs pram prolactin ... compatible? Combatative?

And the second part is with the pct... is the need for clo important here or should I just get hcg and run ON cycle? Hcg isn't readily avail at the moment but what other thoughts or solutions do you vets have ?

If I'm missing anything feel free to ask. Thanks in advance.

 

[tbonexl]

Hcg should be ran from beginning of cycle up to pct. I've posted this more times this week then my favorite link! Nolva and clomid are the only thing that belongs in pct.

Being its your second cycle it is highly recommended not to use tren. Considering your pct layout and such, your not ready for it yet. Save it for cycle #5 or so. Your reasoning for your adex dose gives me some concern. Have you ever got bloodwork to confirm your running your ai at the proper dose?

Save the tren. Now is not the time to ask questions and do 10 minutes of research on tren right before you use it. Do your homework on dopamine antagonists, hcg use, pct, and importance of proper ai dose. This link will be very helpful...

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

 

[Onk]

why test 500mg for first 4 weeks then 250mg the rest?

why not just run it at 250 or 500mg the whole way through?

 

[Megatron28]

Given this is cycle #2, I would recommend using Deca or NPP instead of Tren if you want to try adding a 19-nor. And I echo what the other guys contributed.

 

[Coblejw]

Yes, I had all panels ran and bloods came back in normal ranges for me. The hcg would have been implemented as soon as I started the tren to keep the gonads in play. I came here for help on the pct and use of prami. I've read mixed and studied mixed articles on both (the running of clomid and Nolvadex ) vs the old method od running both . I will try and pop those articles once I get to my laptop. Why does my adex layout give you concern? I don't feel a need to ramp my Ai or change it if I'm not feeling nipple tenderness or feeling any new masses in my chest? Maybe the 3 years of research and thought wasn't enough . When I ran my first test e cycle using the same a dex layout and Nolvadex only pct with NO hcg I was back in my normal ranges within a click or two by the end of week 15 (week 15 being 15 weeks after stopping pct) ... hell and here I was thinking I was pretty solid since I kept a great portion of my strength gains and maintained. Thanks for the input I'll go read and recheck.

 

[Coblejw]

I wanted to drop the test to a maintenance level for libido and allow the tren to take the front scene to check sides and evaluate from there. Thinking more of a longer front load , if you will. Since after all, all we are is personal lab rats with the most knowledge we can get from places like these great forums and reading. I'll admit, I'm not a chemist or understand everything as a scientist. All I can do is read, decipher and try to put into my own thoughts. ..

 

[halfwit]

I'm actually more curious about:

Diet*
3000-3500 call daily intake 6 feedings
Fats are in check*
Carbs are minimal other than my vegetable intake
Protein is 1.5:1 give or take a few*
Alcohol is negligible minus a glass or red wine with the wife maybe 3 times monthly*

Previous cycle test e only 12 weeks.

So first off I'll explain a few things . I know I'm not at the magic number bf for some of you but my goals are for PL stats not show stats. No gyno no adverse effects no sides other than oily skin (no acne no gyno)

If fats are in "check", and you're not eating carbs outside veggies, but are not worried about body fat - where are your calories coming from, why such low calories (powerlifting is about caloric surplus), and what is the purpose of your cycle?

You seem pretty well-read and intelligent, but it feels as if you're trying to tackle several things at once here. If you're trying to grow, you have to eat a certain way. If you secretly are trying to drop that body fat (I won't tell any other PL guys, I promise!), you have to eat a different way there too. You can't do both without some serious planning and being insanely strict in adhering to the plan. Even then, it takes some serious time.

Like the other guys mentioned, you're really not ready for tren. It's like that daunting high diving board we see as kids; it is both exciting and terrifying to think about climbing and jumping off that plank into the water - but once your feet leave the board, it's too late to change your mind.

Welcome to ology! Well, from a year ago.

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