Cycle Help Adding and Removing

[LukeIronWall]

sup guys, looking for a little advice on my next cycle.
for this summer im getting shredd so im trying to bulk up for now naturally before i hop on my cutter.

this is what I'm thinking for
12 week
500-650 mgs a week of TEST E
450-600 mgs a week of Primo
60-100mgs of anavar ED
200 i.u.'s of HCG twice a week

PCT
NOLVA 40/30/20/20 ED
CLomid 50/50/50/50 ED

These were my thoughts and questions.
I was thinking about adding proviron but since i never ran it and i am not familiar with it yet ..
Doing a couple weeks of Dbol as a kick ..
and i really was looking to add Deca only for my joints, and since my bulking is going natural this year I'm not running it. would it be weird if i use it for the first few weeks of my cycle (considering the ester) at the lows 200's (mgs)..

What you guys think ?

Almost forgot im 25 6'4" 225 about 12-14% BF right now training 6 days a week, been lifting 7 years on and off about 3 years straight. oh and this will be my 5th cycle

 

[LukeIronWall]

almost forgot, I'll be running Aromasin 12.5 mgs E2D or EOD and up it if need it

 

[LukeIronWall]

80 people read this and no one has a single comment or some criticism ?

 

[Kazmir]

Personally I would scrap the primo and go with tren or masteron or extended the cycle, full benefits of primo require more than 12 weeks, you'd be looking at a 20+ week run if you wanna maximize the primo benefit. minimum you would wanna run the primo is 600mg.

From my understanding you wanna run anavar and dbol in a 12 week cycle? I'd say pick one or the other. Dbol is a great kickstart and anavar is a great tail end but in 12 weeks if you run 4 weeks of dbol at the beginning then 6 weeks of var at the end your only giving your liver 2 weeks off during 12 weeks. Just my opinion

Forgot to add first few weeks of deca would not be beneficial due to the length of the ester. As far as proviron goes I will let someone else chime in as I have not used it either

 

[LukeIronWall]

Personally I would scrap the primo and go with tren or masteron or extended the cycle, full benefits of primo require more than 12 weeks, you'd be looking at a 20+ week run if you wanna maximize the primo benefit. minimum you would wanna run the primo is 600mg.

From my understanding you wanna run anavar and dbol in a 12 week cycle? I'd say pick one or the other. Dbol is a great kickstart and anavar is a great tail end but in 12 weeks if you run 4 weeks of dbol at the beginning then 6 weeks of var at the end your only giving your liver 2 weeks off during 12 weeks. Just my opinion

Forgot to add first few weeks of deca would not be beneficial due to the length of the ester. As far as proviron goes I will let someone else chime in as I have not used it either

After much much much search i found REAL PRIMOBOLAN DEPOT, and unfortunately i already got it, so scrapping it isnt an option lol.
I was thinking about extending it to 16 weeks, but i just dk if i would be able to keep increasing the doses with myostatin kicking at the second month already i would be at grams for test by the 4th month. so i wanna keep it some what short and effective.

The Dbol would come in alone for the first few weeks even before the test. so i was thinking dbol 2 weeks then start test with dbol for 2 more weeks and sub in the primo, then a couple weeks in start the var. you think this could be heavy on the liver ? Var is very light on it tho

 

[bigkit34]

Can you explain why you would have to keep increasing the dosage of test if you ran it longer? You lost me there. Also i don't see any mention of liver support and you wanna tun 2 orals. Look into NAC for that. With this cycle being a cut i would scrap the dbol all together. Last summer i kicked and finished with var and got good results with it

 

[Pitbull55]

The Dbol would come in alone for the first few weeks even before the test. so i was thinking dbol 2 weeks then start test with dbol for 2 more weeks and sub in the primo, then a couple weeks in start the var. you think this could be heavy on the liver ? Var is very light on it tho

Sorry if I am reading this wrong but are you saying that you wanna run d-bol for two weeks by itself then start test along with another two weeks of d-bol?

 

[Kazmir]

After much much much search i found REAL PRIMOBOLAN DEPOT, and unfortunately i already got it, so scrapping it isnt an option lol.
I was thinking about extending it to 16 weeks, but i just dk if i would be able to keep increasing the doses with myostatin kicking at the second month already i would be at grams for test by the 4th month. so i wanna keep it some what short and effective.

The Dbol would come in alone for the first few weeks even before the test. so i was thinking dbol 2 weeks then start test with dbol for 2 more weeks and sub in the primo, then a couple weeks in start the var. you think this could be heavy on the liver ? Var is very light on it tho

1. Dbol without test will shutdown your natural production, not a wise decision
2. There is no need to increase the dosing of of test, pick a level and stick to it. Increasing just fluctuates your levels and causes sides. If your goal is to ramp up to a gram just run a gram through out the entire cycle.
3. If I read that right you would be adding primo only at week 4, again your wasting your money on a short primo run, you "need" to run it over a long period for it to recomp your body (what the compound is meant to do). Save it get more and run it later in a different cycle.. Use tren ace or mast prop or both instead of primo if your running a shorter cycle. If you have real primo your wasting a great compound for minimal results.
4. Any run of orals back to back is gonna be hard on the liver and if you are gonna do it make sure your running liver support like NAC at 1800mgs per day

 

[3rdinfintry]

Can you explain why you would have to keep increasing the dosage of test if you ran it longer? You lost me there. Also i don't see any mention of liver support and you wanna tun 2 orals. Look into NAC for that. With this cycle being a cut i would scrap the dbol all together. Last summer i kicked and finished with var and got good results with it

What is NAC? And where do you get it?

Thanks

 

[Kazmir]

NOW NAC at Bodybuilding.com: Lowest Prices for NAC about the cheapest I have found unless you wanna buy raw powder and cap it yourself

 

[LukeIronWall]

yeah you guys are right

 

[LukeIronWall]

Can you explain why you would have to keep increasing the dosage of test if you ran it longer? You lost me there. Also i don't see any mention of liver support and you wanna tun 2 orals. Look into NAC for that. With this cycle being a cut i would scrap the dbol all together. Last summer i kicked and finished with var and got good results with it

It's a pyramiding cycle
The human body is always fighting for homeostasis so the concept is to increase dose before gains plateau. Myostatin limits growth around day 56 of a cycle. You can "push" gains by adding strong anabolics or upping the dose or my favorite, both.

 

[bigkit34]

Don't know where you heard all that its totally unnecessary to keep raising the dosage. Pick your dose of.test and stick to it. Myostatin will always.be present too if it wasn't we would.all keep growing and growing and growing like the hulk